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Forums - Sony Discussion - Nvidia bitterness continues, compares PS4 specs to a 'low-end CPU'

Soundwave on 16 March 2013
CGI-Quality said:
TheBardsSong said:
He's speaking the truth though.

I've heard some people say this already. Care to elaborate?


The CPU and GPU aren't anything special on their own basically. You can buy PC CPUs and GPUs today that outclass what's in the PS4 quite easily without neccessarily even breaking the bank (ie: having to spend like $2000). 

The only real special thing about the PS4 is the 8GB of fast GDDR5 RAM. 



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keroncoward on 16 March 2013
Scoobes said:
keroncoward said:
HoloDust said:
keroncoward said:

It is a CONFIRMED customized Tablet/Mobile Phone GPU. Go research what the bobcat is (basically the Jaguar is two bobcats put together). The only RAM that would matter to help visuals is the VRAM on the video card itself. The RAM we are speaking about will only help draw distance, how fast the game loads up and they will set aside some to add features like cross game chat and whatever else. People treating 8GB RAM like its the new cell lol. If both GPUs have the same modern DX11 like features then we would not see that much of a difference.


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...

- Jaguar is low-power CPU arhcitecture, not GPU. It is aimed at tablets, netbooks and ultra-thin notebooks. I has nothing to do with mobile phones. It is NOT two Bobcats put toghether

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-02-19/95a.jpg

- PS4 has fully coherent GDDR5 memory pool with unified adress space for CPU and GPU - their is no separate system RAM and VRAM in PS4

- more RAM is not new Cell - more RAM allows for better textures, better lighting and in potential future engines better Sparse Voxel Octree rendering, to name just a few advantages.


I have no idea what im talking about? Jaguar is a APU which is a CPU and GPU in one (Wii U's GPGPU comes to mind). AMD dont even make APUs for the public to buy again from what i know. You have no idea what a APU is and how it works with crossfire. If PS4 only has 8bg RAM as you are claiming with no VRAM on the GPU then it makes sense what youre saying. You right its not two Bobcats put together cause two Bobcats put together would have performed better as i explained i was exaggerating when i said that. Jaguar only performs 30% better than the Bobcat at best. You seriously think a tablet APU would not be able to run in a mobile phone? Fyi there are already mobile phones that have far better specs than current gen but they just dont have the compelling software to show off the capabilities. Mobile phone devs are not going to invest countless time and money just to make a game comparable to consoles on a mobile phone.

You should really stop, it's getting a bit embarrasing.

AMD APUs for public purchase:

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cpus-amd/amd-a-series-multi-core-socket-fm2

Consumer based Jaguar products will only be 4-core, so the chip in the PS4 will have twice the theoretical power with 8 identical Jaguar cores.

The APU in the PS4 is a SoC. All the RAM will be available to both the CPU and GPU components. There is no crossfire, it's just one big APU that hasn't been done on this scale before, or using the GCN architecture. This also means that bottlenecks that exist on a normal desktop PC with seperate dedicated GPU vs CPU and seperate RAM pools of system vs VRAM don't exist in this setup.

An APU is not like a GPGPU. GPGPU has been around for ages and simply the transferring of traditionally CPU related tasks to a GPU. It's much harder to code for than traditional CPU development, but some tech/middleware is starting to make use of it (e.g. Havok, UE4).

It's highly unlikely you'll see these chips on mobile phones, the power consumption vs ARM is too great.


LOL i said they are not MAKING them anymore for the public. All modern AMD CPUs are the FX series there are no new A series for Desktop PCs. Youre not confusing anyone else here but youself. Sugar coat it any way you want i stated a FACT about the Jaguar from AMD themselves. Go ahead and try to refute a fact. Funny how the link you posted all the APU's are old dual and quad cores that are considered ancient and low end for today's standards.



brendude13 on 16 March 2013

Well, I think that settles whether I'll be going for Nvidia or ATI with my next graphics card.



HoloDust on 16 March 2013
keroncoward said:
HoloDust said:

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...

- Jaguar is low-power CPU arhcitecture, not GPU. It is aimed at tablets, netbooks and ultra-thin notebooks. I has nothing to do with mobile phones. It is NOT two Bobcats put toghether

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-02-19/95a.jpg

- PS4 has fully coherent GDDR5 memory pool with unified adress space for CPU and GPU - their is no separate system RAM and VRAM in PS4

- more RAM is not new Cell - more RAM allows for better textures, better lighting and in potential future engines better Sparse Voxel Octree rendering, to name just a few advantages.


I have no idea what im talking about? Jaguar is a APU which is a CPU and GPU in one (Wii U's GPGPU comes to mind). AMD dont even make APUs for the public to buy again from what i know. You have no idea what a APU is and how it works with crossfire. If PS4 only has 8bg RAM as you are claiming with no VRAM on the GPU then it makes sense what youre saying. You right its not two Bobcats put together cause two Bobcats put together would have performed better as i explained i was exaggerating when i said that. Jaguar only performs 30% better than the Bobcat at best. You seriously think a tablet APU would not be able to run in a mobile phone? Fyi there are already mobile phones that have far better specs than current gen but they just dont have the compelling software to show off the capabilities. Mobile phone devs are not going to invest countless time and money just to make a game comparable to consoles on a mobile phone.

Your ignorance is becoming truly entertaining - all AMD A-series solutions are APUs, so there's plenty of APUs out there for general public.

Mobile phone SoCs use 1-2W at maximum load, Tablets 5-10W.

PS4's APU will have TDP of 90-100W - GPU inside is 1152:72:32@800MHz GCN 2.0 part, so somewhere between 7850 and 7970m in performance - it alone consumes 75-90W. I'm quite certain it would be able to run in mobile phone /end sarcasm

As someone stated already - you should really stop, you're just embarassing yourself.



dahuman on 16 March 2013
brendude13 said:
Well, I think that settles whether I'll be going for Nvidia or ATI with my next graphics card.


with benchmarks obviously :P



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keroncoward on 16 March 2013
HoloDust said:
keroncoward said:
HoloDust said:

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...

- Jaguar is low-power CPU arhcitecture, not GPU. It is aimed at tablets, netbooks and ultra-thin notebooks. I has nothing to do with mobile phones. It is NOT two Bobcats put toghether

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-02-19/95a.jpg

- PS4 has fully coherent GDDR5 memory pool with unified adress space for CPU and GPU - their is no separate system RAM and VRAM in PS4

- more RAM is not new Cell - more RAM allows for better textures, better lighting and in potential future engines better Sparse Voxel Octree rendering, to name just a few advantages.


I have no idea what im talking about? Jaguar is a APU which is a CPU and GPU in one (Wii U's GPGPU comes to mind). AMD dont even make APUs for the public to buy again from what i know. You have no idea what a APU is and how it works with crossfire. If PS4 only has 8bg RAM as you are claiming with no VRAM on the GPU then it makes sense what youre saying. You right its not two Bobcats put together cause two Bobcats put together would have performed better as i explained i was exaggerating when i said that. Jaguar only performs 30% better than the Bobcat at best. You seriously think a tablet APU would not be able to run in a mobile phone? Fyi there are already mobile phones that have far better specs than current gen but they just dont have the compelling software to show off the capabilities. Mobile phone devs are not going to invest countless time and money just to make a game comparable to consoles on a mobile phone.

Your ignorance is becoming truly entertaining - all AMD A-series solutions are APUs, so there's plenty of APUs out there for general public.

Mobile phone SoCs use 1-2W at maximum load, Tablets 5-10W.

PS4's APU will have TDP of 90-100W - GPU inside is 1152:72:32@800MHz GCN 2.0 part, so somewhere between 7850 and 7970m in performance - it alone consumes 75-90W. I'm quite certain it would be able to run in mobile phone /end sarcasm

As someone stated already - you should really stop, you're just embarassing yourself.


LOLOLOLOLOL i had no idea what im talking about and im ignorant right? If you cant read and understand its not my fault. All APUs avaliable for the public now are ancient and very low end (FACT). Look at the link you posted and see for yourself that even the cards they crossfire with are very ancient and low end. There are no new APU's being made for the public to put in desktop PCs anymore (FACT). Did i make it clear for you or do you want to ignore what i typed and pretend like i have no idea what im talking about. Am I saying the Jaguar is low end? YES, but it will still be able to display very nice visuals. Even modern smart phones and tablets are capable of displaying better visuals than current gen.



UnknownFact on 16 March 2013

inb4 nvidia's doom comments.



DemoniOtaku on 16 March 2013

In relation Quality-Price AMD is the Way... SONy, Microsoft and Nintendo only made the most logical choice on GPU and CPU solutions...

And the PS4 is powerful enough to give us games at the level of actual Mid-high range on PC... and being a closed plataform make free the developers to optimize the games for the hardware... most of the RAW power of the PC are underused because all games must be optimized to a range of hardware making it more difficult to use all what your machine can do...

On RAW power PC win... but in Overall optimization Consoles will win ever.. plus the exclusive games for wider market.. plus are cheaper.. plus are more profitable..

I'm not a PC Doomer, but consoles dedicated for gaming are really different... and is not just about what have inside, is how is connected and is programed to work... the architechteru know of PS4 is a highly efficient one.. if the actual consoles could keep up with all the lacking issues why not the next generation?



 

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Hynad on 16 March 2013

Someone here clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. (FACT)

He's quite entertaining though, I must say. LOLOLOLOLOL



zumnupy10 on 16 March 2013

Seems to me that Nvidia is afraid of the AMD's APUs because they can't make anything like it.