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Carl on 13 March 2013
curl-6 said:

Shit games sell 5 million plus units all the time.

Kinect Sports is mediocre, just like Viva Pinata, just like Nuts 'n' Bolts, just like Starfox Adventures. (Yep, that's right, I'm not a Nintendo owner still upset they left, they were already a shadow of their former self before they left) Based on their last decade of work, I don't have faith that their next gen efforts will be any better.

Rare were once widely considered one of the best developers in the planet, now they're not even considered above average.

No, games that dont appeal to you sell 5 Million plus all the time. A shit game simply wont sell that many units. It appeals to the market its targetting. It does its job well and thats that.

curl-6 said:

I didn't bring it up, I responded to a post by someone else that did. It was a point already under discussion, and it's relevent. 

Eh? I didnt quote you, I quoted VGKing.



                            

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StaleCheetos on 13 March 2013
ironmanDX said:

I play my ps3 the most but the Xbox 360 has better games and graphics
But I still like the ps3 because of blueray internet and apps ghetto zone company has disappointed million on graphics and very high costs the playstion CANNOT BEAT XBOX'S GRAPHICS THE PS4 IS GOING TO BE LIKE THE XBOX360 GRAPHICS just wait and see people look at freaking previews of games u idiots it's once again bad graphics.

 

 

 

How funny is it. I found it on this site while looking for ps4 price predictions. I had to wait aes to use it.......... Worth it.

http://www.ps4playstation4.com/Would-you-pay-for-the-PS4

Wow... Please tell me you are not serious.



curl-6 on 13 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
curl-6 said:

Shit games sell 5 million plus units all the time.

Kinect Sports is mediocre, just like Viva Pinata, just like Nuts 'n' Bolts, just like Starfox Adventures. (Yep, that's right, I'm not a Nintendo owner still upset they left, they were already a shadow of their former self before they left) Based on their last decade of work, I don't have faith that their next gen efforts will be any better.

Rare were once widely considered one of the best developers in the planet, now they're not even considered above average.

No, games that dont appeal to you sell 5 Million plus all the time. A shit game simply wont sell that many units. It appeals to the market its targetting. It does its job well and thats that.

"Shit" is a judgement of game quality, and game quality is subjective. Sales are a measure of commercial success.



Carl on 13 March 2013
curl-6 said:

"Shit" is a judgement of game quality, and game quality is subjective. Sales are a measure of commercial success.

Commercial success wont be gained without being good at what it does. Word of mouth and good legs are a good indication of a quality product. A poor quality product wont have good word of mouth and a poor quality product wont have a multi-million unit selling sequel.

Again just because you dont like the game, doesnt make it a bad game. Just because it has a metascore that isnt in the 80's, doesnt make it a bad game.



                            

VGKing on 13 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:

All those negative things you said I agree with. If you're interested I can give you an explanation for each one.

Rare is a terrible developer( Gamers who grew up playing their games are mad that they're making Kinect stuff now)
MS only cares about casuals (Well in recent years the entertainment apps have overshadowed the games. Watch their E3 prss conferences for the perfect example of where their focus is.)
MS has no franchises (Their new IP have been Kinect titles while they milk Forza and Fable...etc)
Xbox Live Iis a rip off (Well you are paying for something that's free on other platforms, it kinda is)
Kinect is dumb (Well it is inaccurate and the best uses for it are voice commands. It's a $150 paperweight for most)
MS fans only play shooters

See. Look. This is whats known as "missing the point" and "being part of the problem".

Seriously, what is the point in this post? What exactly are you trying to add to the thread with a post full of rubbish and contradictions? Your views on the points dont matter. What matters is when people like you post them needlessly in Microsoft threads. Its un-needed and needs to be stopped.

I don't think I've posted comment like these if they weren't beneficial to the discussion. If I was out of line I would have gotten a warning or a ban. IF people post these type of comments it's because IT DOES MATTER. These are problems people have with Microsoft whether or not they own their console. If you can't deal with that then people like you are part of the problem. Serously, complaining is even more pointless than trolling. That should be bannable as well.



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curl-6 on 13 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
curl-6 said:

"Shit" is a judgement of game quality, and game quality is subjective. Sales are a measure of commercial success.

Commercial success wont be gained without being good at what it does. Word of mouth and good legs are a good indication of a quality product. A poor quality product wont have good word of mouth and a poor quality product wont have a multi-million unit selling sequel.

Again just because you dont like the game, doesnt make it a bad game. Just because it has a metascore that isnt in the 80's, doesnt make it a bad game.

And just because it sells, doesn't mean it's a good game. There's so much more to sales than quality; advertising for a start.



Netyaroze on 13 March 2013

Its all opinion based which should be respected, if the points are related to the topic in the thread or are brought up for a reason in a discussion. If its brought up for no reason its trolling obviously.

 

1. "Rare is a terrible developer"

 

Rare is disappointing for me. Their old games were on another level entirely. What they do now doesn't interest me at all. My last Rare game was Conker on N64 I think. So yes from my point of view they are a terrible developer if they exist or not has no influence on my life anymore.

 

2. "MS cares only about casuals"

 

No I don't think so, they just seem to target the casuals stronger than they did in the past. But in the end MS wants all types of customers like Sony.

 

3. "MS has no franchises"

 

Imo they have enough and I think MS will increase their software output next gen considerably.

 

4. "Xbox Live is a rip of"

Depends on your personal needs. For me its not good value since I rarely play online but for other people Xbox live seems to be worth it. 

 

5. "Kinect is dumb"

 

No I think the technology itself has potential it could for example do positional tracking for the head in VR games. See if you move your head towards objects or towards the floor and so on. Kinect can do countless of things with lower latency and higher precission in the future. We haven't seen what 3D cameras can do. The potential is big and the technology in its infancy.

The current implementation is from my perspective worthless though and was bad enough that it will be hard to show consumers "hey its not that bad actually".

Its perfectly understandable sceptisism.

 

6. "MS fans only play Shooter"

I think people in general like to play shooter has nothing to do with MS imo.



Carl on 13 March 2013
VGKing said:

I don't think I've posted comment like these if they weren't beneficial to the discussion. If I was out of line I would have gotten a warning or a ban. IF people post these type of comments it's because IT DOES MATTER. These are problems people have with Microsoft whether or not they own their console. If you can't deal with that then people like you are part of the problem. Serously, complaining is even more pointless than trolling. That should be bannable as well.

Didnt you get banned in JayWood's thread at the weekend?

You dont need to go into a Live thread and say that Live isnt worth it. You dont need to go into a Rare thread about a new Rare game, and say that Rare are terrible. Do you understand?

Having an opposing opinion is all fine and dandy. Posting it just for the sake of posting it when it really isnt needed... Its pointless.



                            

Carl on 13 March 2013
curl-6 said:

And just because it sells, doesn't mean it's a good game. There's so much more to sales than quality; advertising for a start.

Advertising is usually only good for launch sales, when the bulk of advertising budget is used. Word of mouth from the general consumer is far, far more important than anything else in the long run. Its essentially the best kind of advertising. I dont think you understand what Im saying though.

Positive word of mouth only comes from a good game. A rubbish game wont get that good word of mouth, and thus wont have great legs. Kinect Sports had/has great legs.

2010 - 2.2 Million
2011 - 1.6 Million (25% drop)
2012 - 1.6 Million (1% drop)

You dont maintain sales like that without good word of mouth.  Another great example for how word of mouth helps is Demon's Souls on PS3. It had essentially no advertising and sold on word of mouth alone.



                            

reviniente on 14 March 2013

Don't forget shmups. X360 is the home of shmups.