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Games... and most likely a more comfortable price point if those rumors are true. Vita's value is increasing every announcement but at launch period with a high price point, high priced accessories and nowhere near a great library it was almost a ripp off to have one.



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A new PR team and an affordable console design with an all in the box approach.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

One is part of a dying market with no future at all and the other is not.



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Bliss said:

Great console, great hardware, powerful, easy to develop for, less expensive than PS3 at Launch, 12 1st party devs developing for it, almost all 3rd party devs already working on it, all developers praising it.  Anybody starting a thread like this is an idiot, for obvious reasons.  Sorry but true.

Vita had every single one of those things you mentioned there. In fact, that's what made (far too) many Sony fans thought it would destroy the 3DS out of the gate. The OP is questioning why the PS4 won't sell in the same fashion conidering it has nearly exactly the same characteristics.



 

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Immortal said:
Bliss said:

Great console, great hardware, powerful, easy to develop for, less expensive than PS3 at Launch, 12 1st party devs developing for it, almost all 3rd party devs already working on it, all developers praising it.  Anybody starting a thread like this is an idiot, for obvious reasons.  Sorry but true.

Vita had every single one of those things you mentioned there. In fact, that's what made (far too) many Sony fans thought it would destroy the 3DS out of the gate. The OP is questioning why the PS4 won't sell in the same fashion conidering it has nearly exactly the same characteristics.


The two bolded points he made are not true about Vita, at all.  I don't get why you'd compare Vita's launch price to PS3's launch price either, seeing as one is a handheld and one is a home console.  Did you actually read his post, or just glance at it?



Because theres already more people who know about the PS4 than the VITA.....

despite the fact that the VITA has been on the market for a year now and the PS4 hasnt even been shown.



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Kresnik said:
Immortal said:

Vita had every single one of those things you mentioned there. In fact, that's what made (far too) many Sony fans thought it would destroy the 3DS out of the gate. The OP is questioning why the PS4 won't sell in the same fashion conidering it has nearly exactly the same characteristics.


The two bolded points he made are not true about Vita, at all.  I don't get why you'd compare Vita's launch price to PS3's launch price either, seeing as one is a handheld and one is a home console.  Did you actually read his post, or just glance at it?

I did notice that those were specific points and not general so they wouldn't be the same. Fact is, though, that there were long lists of games in development for Vita and long lists of developers working on it. That didn't amount to as much as expected. Don't see why this will. Give me the actual names of big games that'll make a noticable difference in sales and then we'll talk.

For the price, I'm just saying that everybody thought the Vita was relatively cheap at $250 and clearly this point is arguing that the PS4 is relatively cheap. Again, exactly the same situation considering its (probably) $400+ price isn't actually very affordable at all, just like the Vita's $250 wasn't.

And it would be a little ridiculous of me not to read his post; it was like three lines long. I don't have that short an attention span. :P



 

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Immortal said:

I did notice that those were specific points and not general so they wouldn't be the same. Fact is, though, that there were long lists of games in development for Vita and long lists of developers working on it. That didn't amount to as much as expected. Don't see why this will. Give me the actual names of big games that'll make a noticable difference in sales and then we'll talk.


Well, any of Sony's biggest studios working on Vita is the main point I was getting at: Naughty Dog aren't going to work on it; Santa Monica haven't so far; Polyphony haven't so far.  You can assume that all 3 of them will show up for the PS4 and bring Sony's biggest franchises with them.

I'm not too sure what to say about third parties, though.  After I typed it I thought "Actually, Activision, EA & Ubisoft have shown up for Vita".  It's just a shame that Ubisoft are the only one putting any effort in.  Square Enix and Capcom being conspicuously absent hasn't helped either; but from the PS4 reveal we know they are at least developing more than ports for the console.



Kresnik said:
Immortal said:

I did notice that those were specific points and not general so they wouldn't be the same. Fact is, though, that there were long lists of games in development for Vita and long lists of developers working on it. That didn't amount to as much as expected. Don't see why this will. Give me the actual names of big games that'll make a noticable difference in sales and then we'll talk.


Well, any of Sony's biggest studios working on Vita is the main point I was getting at: Naughty Dog aren't going to work on it; Santa Monica haven't so far; Polyphony haven't so far.  You can assume that all 3 of them will show up for the PS4 and bring Sony's biggest franchises with them.

I'm not too sure what to say about third parties, though.  After I typed it I thought "Actually, Activision, EA & Ubisoft have shown up for Vita".  It's just a shame that Ubisoft are the only one putting any effort in.  Square Enix and Capcom being conspicuously absent hasn't helped either; but from the PS4 reveal we know they are at least developing more than ports for the console.

I think the actual games matter more than "developers are working on it". Even if Naughty Dog and Polyphony are apparently doing something
 for the PS4, until they announce Uncharted 4 and Gran Turismo 6, that's just a pile of words. I'm sure Vita will eventually get these franchises, too. Not doing much for sales, though.

Also, the situation with the third parties is something that could potentially happen with the PS4; all the main third parties are on board, but even their best games are still selling like crap. I don't necessarily think it will, but I don't see why it won't.



 

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