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ethomaz on 12 March 2013
walsufnir said:
But steam doesn't show the whole truth and keep in mind that pc-gamers will buy new hardware when it is needed. Next-Gen consoles will push the whole industry (new complexer engines, for example) so pc-"masterrace" will pimp up. Also PS4 isn't released yet - the survey should be redone end of the year.

Fine but I think the survey is not change until the PS4 launch... maybe a six months after the full line HD 8000/GTX 700 launch the PC hardware will change a little... most gamers didn't buy over $200 GPU.



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zarx on 12 March 2013
ethomaz said:

I think any GPU below 2.5 TFLOPS (AMD) will perform worst than the PS4 GPU... so you can remove HD 7970M, H 6950, HD 7970, etc... the GeForce equivalent too so GTX570, GTX 660, etc. But I know there are HD 6990, HD 5970, and GeForce equivalent that can performe better than PS4 GPU and my 2% is already counting these cases...

Even if you think 5% of the Steam have a system to perform better than the PS4... in fact is yet too low... some PC users here seems to think everybody have a PC gamer that can perform better than PS4 but the really is another... few gaming system can performace better than a PS4 and that in not change in the first PS4 years.

I guess in terms of power the PS4 is more advanced (or at least close) than what PS3 was when released comparede to PC... well the PS3 have a downclocked 7800 GPU while in the market we have 7900 dual-gpu and HD X1900.

The 360 GPU at launch (2005) was more advanced than any GPU on the market for at least one year BTW... only in late 2006 (when PS3 released) the AMD and nVidia released GPUs to perform better than the 360 GPU.


That is just speculation tho, real world performance will vary from engine to engine and game to game. And like I said the 7870 Ghz edition has 2.5TFlops so meets you criteria so anything above that (Radeon HD 7870 XT, 7950, 7970, 7990 etc) also meet that criteria as does the 6970 with 2.7TFlops. And for Nvidia as flops performance is calculated differently so can't be directly compared but the GTX 660 is very close to the 7870 in most games. 

And like I said I wasn't arguing with the premise of your post, the number of PC gamers with GPUs more powerful than the PS4s is a small fraction at the moment. 



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walsufnir on 12 March 2013
ethomaz said:
walsufnir said:
But steam doesn't show the whole truth and keep in mind that pc-gamers will buy new hardware when it is needed. Next-Gen consoles will push the whole industry (new complexer engines, for example) so pc-"masterrace" will pimp up. Also PS4 isn't released yet - the survey should be redone end of the year.

Fine but I think the survey is not change until the PS4 launch... maybe a six months after the full line HD 8000/GTX 700 launch the PC hardware will change a little... most gamers didn't buy over $200 GPU.


Of course they didn't because it wasn't necessary. PC-gaming is far more oriented on console-gaming as PC-gamers pretend it is. It will be necessary when PS4 and NextBox come out, as easy as this.



HoloDust on 12 March 2013
zarx said:
ethomaz said:

I think any GPU below 2.5 TFLOPS (AMD) will perform worst than the PS4 GPU... so you can remove HD 7970M, H 6950, HD 7970, etc... the GeForce equivalent too so GTX570, GTX 660, etc. But I know there are HD 6990, HD 5970, and GeForce equivalent that can performe better than PS4 GPU and my 2% is already counting these cases...

Even if you think 5% of the Steam have a system to perform better than the PS4... in fact is yet too low... some PC users here seems to think everybody have a PC gamer that can perform better than PS4 but the really is another... few gaming system can performace better than a PS4 and that in not change in the first PS4 years.

I guess in terms of power the PS4 is more advanced (or at least close) than what PS3 was when released comparede to PC... well the PS3 have a downclocked 7800 GPU while in the market we have 7900 dual-gpu and HD X1900.

The 360 GPU at launch (2005) was more advanced than any GPU on the market for at least one year BTW... only in late 2006 (when PS3 released) the AMD and nVidia released GPUs to perform better than the 360 GPU.


That is just speculation tho, real world performance will vary from engine to engine and game to game. And like I said the 7870 Ghz edition has 2.5TFlops so meets you criteria so anything above that (Radeon HD 7870 XT, 7950, 7970, 7990 etc) also meet that criteria as does the 6970 with 2.7TFlops. And for Nvidia as flops performance is calculated differently so can't be directly compared but the GTX 660 is very close to the 7870 in most games. 

And like I said I wasn't arguing with the premise of your post, the number of PC gamers with GPUs more powerful than the PS4s is a small fraction at the moment. 

Early in this thread I mentioned Steam statistics - I actually counted all the solutions then that are equal or higher than 7850 level of performance and came to around 8%, though I think all equal solutions will probably run slower on PC than PS4 due to Windows.

That said, I think it's not that unreasonable to say that PS4 will perform better than MOST gaming PCs for few years (specially if "most" means >50%).

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walsufnir on 12 March 2013
HoloDust said:
It will be fun to watch Digital Foundry's multiplat Face-Offs once both NextBox and PS4 launch....


Oh yes, definitely looking forward to this. Well, depends on what MS will show us, of course ;)