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Almost certainly, though it can easily be seen by looking at sales trends for the last 3 console launches.

The PS4 and 720 will be fighting against each other, as well as the WiiU (which will be cheaper with a larger library) and the PS360 (which will be the same as the WiiU).



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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WiiRHardcore said:
Chark said:
I think cross gen titles will help. Who wouldn't want to have the awesome graphically enhanced version?


Thats true but, most people won't spend $400+ just for prettier graphics. From that article, "63% of current Xbox 360 owners waited at least THREE YEARS [+ two months]  after  the 360 launched, before buying an Xbox 360".

They don't need most people to have a successful launch. I think they will have a lot more early adopters than the 360+ps3 which both had "meh" launch line ups. For Many Hardcore gamers, I think having superior versions of big AAA titles+ a few exclusives will be enticing provided they have the disposable income to justify picking up a new console at launch. Inevitably those more picky with their money will wait til price cut/ more exclusive titles/cheaper titles. The masses never adopt a new console early in its cycle unless its a phenomonom like the orginal wii. But the masses aren't need for a succesfull launch...  I suspect they will both perform similar to the wii U in its openning month, mayb a bit less because of the heated competition, but they will keep momentem going into 2014 unlike the wii U going into 2013;


The problem with the Wii U was that

1. Its versions of COD+AC were not obviously superior and it didn't recieve the majority of 3rd party titles that were announced at the time. (MGS/Tomb Raider/Bioshock/ Crysis/ Dead space, I could go on forever). In the case of the ps4/720, for the moment at least there is only one big 3rd party title coming out in fall 2013 which hasn't been announced to arrive on next gen systems  (Lightning Returns: FFXIII)

2. lack of vision for the future. Even at the time of the systems launch the only post launch titles we'd been treated to were Rayman, Pikmin and Wonderfull 101 and Beyonetta. Although super smash bros was verbally announced, none of the titles shown are likely to be massive blockbusters, although I expect all of them to pass 1m.

In the case of the ps4/720 we haven't even reached e3 and we know it will recieve these next gen exclusives:

-Dragon Age 3, Witcher 3, Thief 4, Cyberpunk 2033, Mass Effect 4 (verbally announced)... and thats only 3rd party, in the case of Sony; Knack and Infamous 2 will probably be released after launch. Microsoft will of course have their own exclusive line up. Again plenty more next gen exclusives will probably be announced at E3 and by the time of holiday 2013, the 720/ps4 line will not be comparable to the Wii U.



I hardly think that PS4 and Nextbox will have incredible launches but I think they'll be a lot more stable and won't suffer the same abysmal sales drop after the holidays.
Sony are bound to have learned from the 599$ blunder and one would assume that MS would never put themselves in the RROD position again, the support from developers is already there and is mostly a given.
With the right pricing, decent launch line-up (anything beats the dreary sort the PS3 and 360 offered up upon launch) and some games in Q1 2014 making its way, paired with actual advertising (hello, Nintendo, I'm looking at you) and a fully functional console from the start (I'm looking at you again, Nintendo), they can do fairly well from the start.
Having Nintendo announce and launch first allowed Sony and MS to bide their time, plan out a real strategy and respond to the market as it stands, they both certainly have the upper hand on Nintendo right now, with Nintendo coming off of a home console that suffered a historical decline and no momentum desipte being market leader and launching a successor that suffered yet another historical decline and has no momentum and very poor support.

The PS4 and Nextbox launch won't be magical or gigantic by any measure, in my opinion, but it is incredibly hard to imagine any plausible scenario where they fare as ill as the Wii U in their first year, I just don't think that's possible unless the entire industry suddenly collapses and everything grinds to a halt.

Its premature to make any kind of decent hardware and software predictions though, I'll hold off on that until we actually see the Nextbox, get confirmed prices and launch line-ups for both. Anything else is a mere shot in the dark. Thinking that the PS4 and Nextbox will fare better than the Wii U, however, is not a shot in the dark, there is nothing to suggest at this point that the same fate will befall the two next home consoles while there was a lot to suggest that the Wii U would be in the state it currently is (and I believe there were many of us who said as much last year).



Certainly not. PS4 and Xbox 3 will get all that 3rd Party Goodness. So they will have plenty games right from launch. Even if some of those have ports on older consoles, it doesn't really matter. The Problem with the Wii U is, that the ports look and feel exactly the same as on the 7th Gen. But on PS4 and Xbox 3, all the games will look significantly better with faster loading times and whatnot. So the upports will more likely be considered as Next-Gen Versions, giving hardcore gamers a good reason to upgrade.

Apart from the better lineup, the consoles themselves will also feel a lot more like Next-Gen. Not only because of power, but because of the modern Operating Systems with a shitload of Internet Features. You can see the value in the new consoles when you first look at them or even just hear about them. With the Wii U, you just have this ridicilously large thing of Controller with a screen on it. That's it. There are no games and the games available don't show any difference from 7th Gen games. so for 3rd Party Titley, People have absolutely zero reasons to go Wii U. And there are too few Nintendo titles for people to spend 350+ $ on a console.

PS4 and Xbox 3 will more likely struggle because of supply issues. But on a weekly basis, they will never even come close to the numbers Wii U is doing right now.



Official member of VGC's Nintendo family, approved by the one and only RolStoppable. I feel honored.

I know the WiiU had a good launch (on par with 360, PS3), i should have used Nintendo's own phrase "launch window" i guess. I got a WiiU on the first day but I like most people on this and other videogame message boards, are in the early adopter category. I really didn't mean to be all doom and gloom, I would like to see all three systems do well in the next generation.



WiiU Network ID:  the_Ultros

PSN: Anthaleigh

Xbxox Live:  campblood1980

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richardhutnik said:
curl-6 said:

For the PS4 and Xbox 3 to get a good start, Sony/MS need to kill off the PS3 and 360. Next gen systems can't compete with cheaper 7th gen alternatives in this economy, at least not without suffering considerably as a result.

Will PS4 and Xbox 3 have as slow a start as Wii U? Almost certainly not. But the WILL have many sales cannibalized by their predecessors if the PS3/360 are allowed to limp on for years after their successors release.

You may end up then getting normal people deciding they don't want to go along with it.  The PS3 being killed off means death to the current content on the shelves, because the PS4 won't play the games natively.  If the next XBox next the same, well then that will face similar issues.  What if the masses are content with ipad and tablet gaming as their normal outlet?

People can still play PS3 games on their actual PS3s. But releasing major PS3 games into the life of the PS4 isn't the best idea, the older console will cannibalize the new one, while games like Gran Turismo 6 could have been used to push PS4 hardware.



KylieDog said:
Difference between PS4/Nextbox and WiiU is the PS4/Nextbox will offer much better versions of the last gen games, while WiiU has been offering between worse and at best equal versions of PS3/360 titles.

Wrong: Trine 2 on Wii U was superior to the PS3 and 360 versions.





KylieDog said:
Difference between PS4/Nextbox and WiiU is the PS4/Nextbox will offer much better versions of the last gen games, while WiiU has been offering between worse and at best equal versions of PS3/360 titles.


Most wiiu launch games were quick ports, but wasn't black ops 2 in 1080p 60fps? Plus the new need for speed looks better than current gen consoles!



WiiU Network ID:  the_Ultros

PSN: Anthaleigh

Xbxox Live:  campblood1980

yes



the little is the price of previous generation the less HD tech gap with new generation all next console will strugle for a few month or until the old is over.



Switch!!!