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Porcupine_I on 04 March 2013

No Blu-ray could mean "no playback of Blu-ray movies", they may still use the disks



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

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Machiavellian on 04 March 2013

Blu-Ray as far as MS is concerned is not a must have because they already have their 1080P streaming technology. Since you can purchase movies or rent them from their service, MS could feel this is enough. Yes, streaming does not compare to blu-Ray but the average consumer doesn't really know or probably even care.

I am sure MS will have a disk format but they could adopt technology like some downloadable games where everything is compressed and when you first play you game it's streamed from the CD to your machine and allows you to play while the rest of the assets are installed. Witch such huge HD, I can easily see this as a solution.



osed125 on 04 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
osed125 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
thranx said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
If it doesn't use bluray, then expect all games to be downloaded.
If neither, then it is doa as dvds simply can't store nest gen games on them.


Computers seem to do fine without blu ray, I am sure the next box can too.


Not at all because they work very differently.

Computers instal the data rather than running it off the disc, thus compression can be huge, and you only need the engine on one disc, not all of them.  Also a lot of PC exlcusive titles are starting to take up vast amounts of memory eg. Napolean TW is ~25GB in size.

Consoles can't do this as they need the engine on every disc, so if you had a game which was 17GB of data, this would not be on two discs, but most likely 3 or 4 as the engine and vast amounts of data would have to be compied onto each disc.

So as I said, if not major cloud support or bluray, it's doa/not next gen.

Or they could simple have a proprietary format like the Wii U which isn't bluray and can hold 25 GB (which is probably enough for next gen games, with some very few exceptions that may require 2 CDs).

They could, but this will only drive up costs and piss off publishers. 

Oh, and don't count on 25GB being enough. I guarantee that by the end of this generation we will see full dual layer blurays being used, just remember "why go to dvds? We'll never fill one of them!".

If Nintendo could do it, then MS (which has waaay more money than Nintendo) could easily do it as well. And why will a proprietary format piss publishers?



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taus90 on 04 March 2013
Machiavellian said:
Blu-Ray as far as MS is concerned is not a must have because they already have their 1080P streaming technology. Since you can purchase movies or rent them from their service, MS could feel this is enough. Yes, streaming does not compare to blu-Ray but the average consumer doesn't really know or probably even care.

I am sure MS will have a disk format but they could adopt technology like some downloadable games where everything is compressed and when you first play you game it's streamed from the CD to your machine and allows you to play while the rest of the assets are installed. Witch such huge HD, I can easily see this as a solution.

Just like PS4, downloading and installing rest of asset in background while ur playing the said game. If that is the way MS goes then that also confirms X8 will be always online console. hope this is not true!



TheJimbo1234 on 04 March 2013
osed125 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
osed125 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
thranx said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
If it doesn't use bluray, then expect all games to be downloaded.
If neither, then it is doa as dvds simply can't store nest gen games on them.


Computers seem to do fine without blu ray, I am sure the next box can too.


Not at all because they work very differently.

Computers instal the data rather than running it off the disc, thus compression can be huge, and you only need the engine on one disc, not all of them.  Also a lot of PC exlcusive titles are starting to take up vast amounts of memory eg. Napolean TW is ~25GB in size.

Consoles can't do this as they need the engine on every disc, so if you had a game which was 17GB of data, this would not be on two discs, but most likely 3 or 4 as the engine and vast amounts of data would have to be compied onto each disc.

So as I said, if not major cloud support or bluray, it's doa/not next gen.

Or they could simple have a proprietary format like the Wii U which isn't bluray and can hold 25 GB (which is probably enough for next gen games, with some very few exceptions that may require 2 CDs).

They could, but this will only drive up costs and piss off publishers. 

Oh, and don't count on 25GB being enough. I guarantee that by the end of this generation we will see full dual layer blurays being used, just remember "why go to dvds? We'll never fill one of them!".

If Nintendo could do it, then MS (which has waaay more money than Nintendo) could easily do it as well. And why will a proprietary format piss publishers?

a) Look how popular the WIiU is currently with publishers. Organising somewhere to print the disc will be more hassle.

b) Cost. Bluray is now mass produced. A proprietary format is not, thus the disc costs more.



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superchunk on 04 March 2013

Lack of bluray seems odd. Unless they are doing the Nintendo route and simply not having video playback as a core feature. It will be a "bluray" drive as that is even what WiiU is. Its just not licensed to play movies.



adriane23 on 04 March 2013

If the lack of BluRay is true, maybe they'll require all (or the majority) of games to be installed onto the HDD. If so, going the proprietary route for HDDs would be silly.



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Soonerman on 04 March 2013

As a representative of the average mainstream community, I do not own a Blu-ray player and do not intent to buy one. I am perfectly fine streaming online. In fact, I can't stand discs anymore. So lack of Blu-ray will not stop me from getting an next gen console.



osed125 on 04 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
osed125 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
osed125 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
thranx said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
If it doesn't use bluray, then expect all games to be downloaded.
If neither, then it is doa as dvds simply can't store nest gen games on them.


Computers seem to do fine without blu ray, I am sure the next box can too.


Not at all because they work very differently.

Computers instal the data rather than running it off the disc, thus compression can be huge, and you only need the engine on one disc, not all of them.  Also a lot of PC exlcusive titles are starting to take up vast amounts of memory eg. Napolean TW is ~25GB in size.

Consoles can't do this as they need the engine on every disc, so if you had a game which was 17GB of data, this would not be on two discs, but most likely 3 or 4 as the engine and vast amounts of data would have to be compied onto each disc.

So as I said, if not major cloud support or bluray, it's doa/not next gen.

Or they could simple have a proprietary format like the Wii U which isn't bluray and can hold 25 GB (which is probably enough for next gen games, with some very few exceptions that may require 2 CDs).

They could, but this will only drive up costs and piss off publishers. 

Oh, and don't count on 25GB being enough. I guarantee that by the end of this generation we will see full dual layer blurays being used, just remember "why go to dvds? We'll never fill one of them!".

If Nintendo could do it, then MS (which has waaay more money than Nintendo) could easily do it as well. And why will a proprietary format piss publishers?

a) Look how popular the WIiU is currently with publishers. Organising somewhere to print the disc will be more hassle.

b) Cost. Bluray is now mass produced. A proprietary format is not, thus the disc costs more.

a) I hardly doubt that's one of publishers complains. Nintendo provides this CDs, 3rd parties only have to put their games in it. 

b) Proprietary disks are also being mass produced by the company that made them. Sure it not as high as blueray but the mass produced tittle still stands.



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Mummelmann on 04 March 2013
Soonerman said:
As a representative of the average mainstream community, I do not own a Blu-ray player and do not intent to buy one. I am perfectly fine streaming online. In fact, I can't stand discs anymore. So lack of Blu-ray will not stop me from getting an next gen console.


Its settled then, Blu-ray is stupid.