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UltimateUnknown said:
oniyide said:
UltimateUnknown said:
So NSMBU was the most revolutionary thing Nintendo has come up with for the Wii U that has never been done before on other platforms like the DS, Wii or 3DS. It is the epitome of quality that the REAL gamers play while COD BO2 is the same recycled junk that has already been done before and so no one buys it, even though BO2 on Wii U is the best version of the game compared to all other platforms.

Yup, that seems about right.

Its the fourth game in a sub series from a series that has been around for decades, and you think NSMBU is revolutionary?? OK 

Dude...sarcasm.

I was trying to point out how NSMBU is NOT revolutionary. Its sad when sarcasm fails lol.


then i apoligize, thats on me



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lt_dan_27 said:

Poorly written awful article. The 360 and ps3 have many highly acclaimed games. 

PS3: Uncharted 88-96 on metacritic. killzone 2 and 3 84 and 92. God of war 3

360 has halo and gears of war. While I don't like them, everyone else seem to.

While we are looking at cash -ins let't look at Mario party 89 and the endless stream of mario kart.


Endless stream? 

Give me one console/handheld that has more than 1 Mario Kart title, unlike other consoes with their racing games.



fordy said:
Pristine20 said:


Dude, I don't care whether 3rd parties sell on Nintendo systems or not. What irks me is when people claim Nintendo games are holy grail and the rest of us are unevolved peasants for not liking them and preferring our graphics, QTE or whatever it is they chose to condemn on any given day.

yes, some of us like our graphics, our FPS games, our "movie" games and what-have-you. Guess I don't deserve to play games then lmao.

It really depends on what one considers a game and what one considers an "interactive movie".


If you control the outcomes, it's a game IMO. The more important thing than the classification is that it's entertainment. That's ultimately why we play gemes. If the quasi-game is entertaining, it has served it's purpose.

I didn't like Heavy Rain btw and dont like QTE and prefer Ninja Gaiden to God of War for that very reason. However, I know people that do like the mechanic so you  would never hear me bashing it. It's not for you, move on. Claiming others dont know what "games" are or what-have-you is just unnecessary



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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

fordy said:
lt_dan_27 said:

Poorly written awful article. The 360 and ps3 have many highly acclaimed games. 

PS3: Uncharted 88-96 on metacritic. killzone 2 and 3 84 and 92. God of war 3

360 has halo and gears of war. While I don't like them, everyone else seem to.

While we are looking at cash -ins let't look at Mario party 89 and the endless stream of mario kart.


Endless stream? 

Give me one console/handheld that has more than 1 Mario Kart title, unlike other consoes with their racing games.

Not sure how having one mk game per console or handheld is considered an endless stream.  There have been a total of 7, on 7 different systems over a 21 year span. 



Pristine20 said:
fordy said:
Pristine20 said:


Dude, I don't care whether 3rd parties sell on Nintendo systems or not. What irks me is when people claim Nintendo games are holy grail and the rest of us are unevolved peasants for not liking them and preferring our graphics, QTE or whatever it is they chose to condemn on any given day.

yes, some of us like our graphics, our FPS games, our "movie" games and what-have-you. Guess I don't deserve to play games then lmao.

It really depends on what one considers a game and what one considers an "interactive movie".


If you control the outcomes, it's a game IMO. The more important thing than the classification is that it's entertainment. That's ultimately why we play gemes. If the quasi-game is entertaining, it has served it's purpose.

I didn't like Heavy Rain btw and dont like QTE and prefer Ninja Gaiden to God of War for that very reason. However, I know people that do like the mechanic so you  would never hear me bashing it. It's not for you, move on. Claiming others dont know what "games" are or what-have-you is just unnecessary


I once saw a game called "Who wants to be a Millionaire" that played on DVD players. Essentially it was like a DVD menu and it took you to another movie clip depending on which one you took.

Would that be classed as a game?



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fauzman said:
OP: your thread smacks of condescension to ps3/xbox gamers. You are suggesting that nintendo gamers have better games and so dont bother to buy 3rd party games whereas ps3/xbox gamers are used to crappy games so buy these in droves. I mean really? Thats the best you could come up with? Seems to me like you have just twisted things around so they suit your POV.

You and I both know that while there are some 3rd party games that are crap, there are lots that are really really good. In fact judging by games site awards some of these would be better than some of nintendo's games.

The reason these games dont sell on nintendo consoles is because a number of nintendo gamers arent interested in 3rd party offerings, especially since these tend to be different and more mature than nintendo titles.
Also a number of nintendo gamers tend to own ps3/xbox and do their 3rd party gaming on these (though this could be a result of poor 3rd party support on the wii.

No I never said that there are absolutely no high quality 3rd party games, just most of these don't make it across to nintendo platforms and the ones that do are mostly just cash-ins or terrible games.

Yes games like COD, Assassins Creed, Fifa and all those big sellers on Ps360 are cash-ins by the publishers.

My reasoning is one of the biggest reason why they are not interested in these 3rd party games.

A well made "mature" title will sell on a nintendo platform.



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Screamapillar said:
Very rarely have I ever bought a third-party game on any of my Nintendo consoles.

The rare exceptions would be Mortal Kombat Ultimate 3 on SNES, RUSH 2 on N64, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle on GameCube, and I think I bought maybe one or two for Wii but I honestly can't remember what it may have been. It's possible all of my Wii software is first/second-party only.

But suffice it to say, from the people I know that are Nintendo fans, since the PSone era through to the present day, and especially since GameCube, most Nintendo fans that want a third-party game will tend to buy a PS or Xbox to play it on.

Just the nature of the beast. Nintendo consoles are amazing because Nintendo creates amazing games that you can only get on their systems, but it's a blessing and a curse. It's very difficult to justify buying Call of Duty when there is a new Zelda, Smash Bros, or 3D Mario out. I will always opt for the Nintendo sequels.

at least your honest, but here's the thing, this is the attitude that causes publishers to not even want to deal with Ninty consoles. To each his own but when people have this attiude i dont think they should be complaining about not getting 3rd party games, if they are not going to buy them anyway.



fordy said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
fordy said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Nah I'm pretty sure PS360 fans have better taste, higher standards and a much larger variety of games to choose from..

See anyone can play this game :)

Fact of the matter is..the very first sentence you started the OP off with is a lot of bs. This just reeks of desperate damage control for the poor sales


Why are you so concerned about 3rd party sales on Nintendo systems anyway? Is there something you're missing out from because of it?


What makes you think I'm 'concerned'? Because I posted in this thread? Wouldn't even have bothered if it wasn't for the rediculous statements made in the OP

Nintendo and WiiU owners should be concerened. I'm neither


Thanks, thought police, on what Nintendo people should be concerned about. Where would we be without you?

 

It almost seems like a lot of others are jealous to the fact that Nintendo can't go away as easily as some other companies, despite the lack of support. The fact that Nintendo has survived multiple console gens in this state just shows it's not going to happen. Deal with it.


hahah well aren't you a sensitive fellow. If you don't think Ninty or wiiu owners should be concerened about 3rd party support...well w/e makes you happy. 

Jealous? >_> Not sure if serious or just paranoid. The one having a hard time dealing with reality is you it seems. It's ok rage some more :) This is entertaining



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mtu9356 said:
fordy said:
lt_dan_27 said:

Poorly written awful article. The 360 and ps3 have many highly acclaimed games. 

PS3: Uncharted 88-96 on metacritic. killzone 2 and 3 84 and 92. God of war 3

360 has halo and gears of war. While I don't like them, everyone else seem to.

While we are looking at cash -ins let't look at Mario party 89 and the endless stream of mario kart.


Endless stream? 

Give me one console/handheld that has more than 1 Mario Kart title, unlike other consoes with their racing games.

Not sure how having one mk game per console or handheld is considered an endless stream.  There have been a total of 7, on 7 different systems over a 21 year span. 


It's jealousy mostly, that Mario Kart is the most popular racing franchise, and not their beloved ultra-realistic game...

The same will be said about Smash Bros, soon...



fordy said:
Pristine20 said:
fordy said:
Pristine20 said:


Dude, I don't care whether 3rd parties sell on Nintendo systems or not. What irks me is when people claim Nintendo games are holy grail and the rest of us are unevolved peasants for not liking them and preferring our graphics, QTE or whatever it is they chose to condemn on any given day.

yes, some of us like our graphics, our FPS games, our "movie" games and what-have-you. Guess I don't deserve to play games then lmao.

It really depends on what one considers a game and what one considers an "interactive movie".


If you control the outcomes, it's a game IMO. The more important thing than the classification is that it's entertainment. That's ultimately why we play gemes. If the quasi-game is entertaining, it has served it's purpose.

I didn't like Heavy Rain btw and dont like QTE and prefer Ninja Gaiden to God of War for that very reason. However, I know people that do like the mechanic so you  would never hear me bashing it. It's not for you, move on. Claiming others dont know what "games" are or what-have-you is just unnecessary


I once saw a game called "Who wants to be a Millionaire" that played on DVD players. Essentially it was like a DVD menu and it took you to another movie clip depending on which one you took.

Would that be classed as a game?

Yes, If "Imagine: babiez" is a game, I don't see why not.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler