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Do you still trust MS enough to get their Next Console?

Yes 265 34.06%
 
No 512 65.81%
 
Total:777
Sevengen said:
hey OP, if by your own admission you don't understand... which after reading through your fanboy post I can clearly see why, than I'd love to hear you explain the reason you've taken so much time and effort constructing this bitter, little short story telling us all about it
Check this out..... we get it, you don't like Xbox or MS, but you love the skittles outta your PS3. We get it. Thanks for letting us know. Long live the mighty PS3.. blah, blah, blah.. death to all things Xbox.. blah, blah, blah.. I'm allowed to like what I want but I plan on whining and complaining if you like something different...blah, blah, blah.
I'm intolerant!
Look, the only thing it appears you don't understand is how pathetically unoriginal, boring, and pointless these silly fanboy threads have become after seven years.
Good god man, grow up... let it go.
And just to be fair, I can't understand why you'd want an overpriced xbox 360 knock-off just so you can watch blu-ray movies, play a handful of AAA exclusives, enjoy an aggravatingly disorganized and laggy online network for multiplayer games.... albeit a free network. Or why you'd proclaim loyalty to a gaming company that's only had 1 original idea for nearly two decades. Wait a minute, to be honest, Sony weren't the first ones to release a CD-based machine were they, so my mistake, make that 0 original ideas in nearly the past two decades.
Say what you want about Microsoft, but they've changed they way we interact with each other in games, they've changed what we consider to be a gaming console, what its limitations are. Like Nintendo, they innovate, introduce new ideas .. not just follow along behind the lead dog.
Whatever... no matter which company or deck you choose, there's more than enough room for competition, except in the small minded people like yourself that love to hate what they won't like.

^ fully agree on this.



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newwil7l said:
Flawed thread


I would kinda like somone to answer all of these questions actually.  I chose PS3 because it IS clearly superior in every way.   The only reason I could see someone having a 360 instead, is if they love Gears and Halo to death, and aren't interested in the 10 exclusive franchises I love.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

JayWood2010 said:

learn that people have preferences and opinions and stop shoving yours down others throats. Goodnight

I RECOMMEND PEOPLE NOT COMMENTING IN THIS THREAD AND LET IT DIE.  DONT FEED PEOPLE WHEN THEY MAKE THESE TYPE OF THREADS.  YOUR NOT GOING TO CHANGE HIS OPINION AND ALL THIS THREAD IS GOING TO BE IS ARGUEING AND HIM DEFENDING HIS REASONS.

+1

Should be locked, the mods will regret they haven't



Sevengen said:
how has MS forgotten the hardcore gamers exactly?... what, because they haven't offered up any new, exclusive IP's lately?
how silly.
look at the games released over the last six months and the games still coming, third party or not, if you can still say that MS and their Xbox brand have forgotten all about the hardcore gamer, then you're obviously not a hardcore gamer and just looking for ammunition to troll with.
seriously what a stupid thing to say.
Oh well, back to Crysis 3....


Microsoft first party has truly forgotten about the gamer. They want the casual attention and cant blame them for wanting it with the hollow but large portion of money that it brings. Sony hasn't stopped focusing on the gamer, its their niche and they know they're good at it. 



You know whhat? MS made decisions that I don´t like, but, hey, they can always change. If they bring something cool to the table, I might want to try, why not? Everyone makes mistakes, and can correct them in some way, shape or form.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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you know, I know you're not a 'fanboy', and in fact I agree with every point in the OP, but you certainly come across as a fanboy. Or, an anti-fanboy.

Regardless.

I fully admit that, at the beginning of this generation, I was a total PSWii fanboy. The Wii took me over right out the gate, I always loved Nintendo, and despite the aggressive attitude towards Sony's PS3 in its early years, I always had faith they'd come through. I hated Microsoft with a passion, mostly because it seemed that it was only Xbots who were so aggressively attacking the PS3 (occasionally with good points, not often though). Even last gen I constantly had to deal with my friends who all were trying to tell me that The Xbox was better, had better games, and was selling more.

I tell you, whatever Microsoft is putting in the Kool-Aid to make such ravenous zealots needs to be either eradicated or shared.

So yeah, I fully admit that the period between 2004 and 2008 I was totally anti-Microsoft and pro sony/nintendo. However, things have changed. I bought an Xbox because I was being harassed by a friend to get one (he offered to pay half for the console and a year of Xbox Live). So, in my eternal desire to only be positive, I managed to convince myself that the Xbox was okay, and that there was no need to be a fanboy. I mean, I already had a Wii and PS3 and I loved them both, and I did love the Xbox's controller. I wouldn't say I ever fell in love, but I came to appreciate what Microsoft had to offer. The PS3, despite having an abysmal first couple years, was finally gaining some steam and the Wii, despite having an outstanding first couple years, was slowing down, so there was a period between 2008 and 2010 that I honestly loved all consoles equally. Yeah, even despite my Xbox red Ringing on me, I was able to forgive because of the games I was enjoying on the system. Hell, I even put in hundreds of hours on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 with my brother and friends.

But then, things changed again. the whole console landscape changed. After having a period of over two years where I genuinely loved all three consoles pretty much equally, I came to realize some stuff from a fully objective standpoint. I came to realize that there was no good reason why Microsoft was charging for Xbox Live when I got a comparable service free of charge over on PSN (and outside of cross game chat, it's almost identical), and a superior service was offered through steam for less (and with better deals.) I came to realize that, even with the warranty, there was no reason anyone should be 'okay' with the Red Ring of Death debacle. I came to realize that, despite all the claims that PS3 had no games, it actually had the most. (shared many multiplatform games with Xbox and was a close second to nintendo in as far as exclusives were concerned.)

And now, after having owned each system at least 5 years, I realize that, honestly, I can't imagine anyone chosing Xbox over PS3 and/or Wii.

Now that this generation is pretty much over, I've found the following to be true:

1 - Nintendo hasn't released anything significant on its Virtual console since 2008.
2 - Nintendo has averaged about 2 'outstanding' games per year since 2008.
3 - Microsoft has practically nothing in the way of exclusives outside of Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.
4 - Microsoft charges for something that is free elsewhere.
5 - Microsoft destroyed Sony in terms of hardware failures, and that's hilarious after how bad the PS2 was.
6 - Microsoft has averaged 2 outstanding games a year since 2010 (or something, I don't have the math laid out)
7 - Of all the consoles, the only system I still play is the PS3
8 - Of all the consoles, the only system who has a future is the PS3.
9 - Of all the consoles, PS3 has the most in terms of quality games between multiplats, exclusives, and digital.

I want to like all systems, I truly do, and my plans involve having a Nextbox, PS4, and WiiU, but right now I have a very, VERY clear heirarchy based on history, current goodwill, and reliability. I know I will get a PS4, I hope to get a WiiU as soon as possible (I trust nintendo to bring the goods), and While I plan on getting a Nextbox, I have no rush to do so.

Concerning all the points in the OP, I can't find any real arguments. I'm sure if I combed through it I could find some holes in the logic or exemptions to the statements, but still. Microsoft has messed up bad this gen, going form what was the most dominant force to be reckoned with to a joke. the fact that they've focused so much on the Kinect tells me that they are not the kind of console I want to use. if I want gimmicks, I'll go to Nintendo; at least they deliver quality with their gimmicks. If I wanted to play something online, I'd go with Sony since online play is free (at least for now). if I wanted digital games, well, the Vita and PS3 have been giving me the most happiness lately, and offer outstanding cross buy deals.

I chose not to actively support Microsoft because I don't like their business practices, I don't like the "nickel-and-dime' mentality they seem to evoke, and I don't care for their exclusive titles. I can't even argue that 'all my friends play xbox so I should too', because all the gamers I knew either migrated to PS3 or got both. I have no reason to go with Xbox, other than the fact that I am a game reviewer and I want to be professional, unbiased, and versatile. If not for the game review gig, I honestly think I'd be comfortable avoiding NExtbox entirely, and even if I do get it, it'll be after a redesign or price drop, becuase right now, I just don't trust them to give me a functional console.

I know I sound like a fanboy, but I want to like everything. It's not my fault microsoft makes it hard for me to support them.

Also, nintendo has 3DS and Sony has Vita, both are awesome and have some cross system functionality or potential. if I buy an Xbox, I get nothing as deep as that. As it has been, I am a sony and Nintendo guy. it's up to Microsoft to change that. The ball's in their court, they need to bring their A-game.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Microsoft always releases its products before they're ready.

Just to mention a few: Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Xbox, X360 and now Windows 8.

I don't see how anyone was surprised that the X360 was such a bag of scum when it came out, it was hardware that wasn't ready. They fixed it later.

Same with Windows 8. Except that they're still fixing it. It's like a public beta you participate in but you have to pay 120 bucks for it. Hilarious...



Runa216 said:
you know, I know you're not a 'fanboy', and in fact I agree with every point in the OP, but you certainly come across as a fanboy. Or, an anti-fanboy.

Regardless.

I fully admit that, at the beginning of this generation, I was a total PSWii fanboy. The Wii took me over right out the gate, I always loved Nintendo, and despite the aggressive attitude towards Sony's PS3 in its early years, I always had faith they'd come through. I hated Microsoft with a passion, mostly because it seemed that it was only Xbots who were so aggressively attacking the PS3 (occasionally with good points, not often though). Even last gen I constantly had to deal with my friends who all were trying to tell me that The Xbox was better, had better games, and was selling more.

I tell you, whatever Microsoft is putting in the Kool-Aid to make such ravenous zealots needs to be either eradicated or shared.

So yeah, I fully admit that the period between 2004 and 2008 I was totally anti-Microsoft and pro sony/nintendo. However, things have changed. I bought an Xbox because I was being harassed by a friend to get one (he offered to pay half for the console and a year of Xbox Live). So, in my eternal desire to only be positive, I managed to convince myself that the Xbox was okay, and that there was no need to be a fanboy. I mean, I already had a Wii and PS3 and I loved them both, and I did love the Xbox's controller. I wouldn't say I ever fell in love, but I came to appreciate what Microsoft had to offer. The PS3, despite having an abysmal first couple years, was finally gaining some steam and the Wii, despite having an outstanding first couple years, was slowing down, so there was a period between 2008 and 2010 that I honestly loved all consoles equally. Yeah, even despite my Xbox red Ringing on me, I was able to forgive because of the games I was enjoying on the system. Hell, I even put in hundreds of hours on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 with my brother and friends.

But then, things changed again. the whole console landscape changed. After having a period of over two years where I genuinely loved all three consoles pretty much equally, I came to realize some stuff from a fully objective standpoint. I came to realize that there was no good reason why Microsoft was charging for Xbox Live when I got a comparable service free of charge over on PSN (and outside of cross game chat, it's almost identical), and a superior service was offered through steam for less (and with better deals.) I came to realize that, even with the warranty, there was no reason anyone should be 'okay' with the Red Ring of Death debacle. I came to realize that, despite all the claims that PS3 had no games, it actually had the most. (shared many multiplatform games with Xbox and was a close second to nintendo in as far as exclusives were concerned.)

And now, after having owned each system at least 5 years, I realize that, honestly, I can't imagine anyone chosing Xbox over PS3 and/or Wii.

Now that this generation is pretty much over, I've found the following to be true:

1 - Nintendo hasn't released anything significant on its Virtual console since 2008.
2 - Nintendo has averaged about 2 'outstanding' games per year since 2008.
3 - Microsoft has practically nothing in the way of exclusives outside of Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.
4 - Microsoft charges for something that is free elsewhere.
5 - Microsoft destroyed Sony in terms of hardware failures, and that's hilarious after how bad the PS2 was.
6 - Microsoft has averaged 2 outstanding games a year since 2010 (or something, I don't have the math laid out)
7 - Of all the consoles, the only system I still play is the PS3
8 - Of all the consoles, the only system who has a future is the PS3.
9 - Of all the consoles, PS3 has the most in terms of quality games between multiplats, exclusives, and digital.

I want to like all systems, I truly do, and my plans involve having a Nextbox, PS4, and WiiU, but right now I have a very, VERY clear heirarchy based on history, current goodwill, and reliability. I know I will get a PS4, I hope to get a WiiU as soon as possible (I trust nintendo to bring the goods), and While I plan on getting a Nextbox, I have no rush to do so.

Concerning all the points in the OP, I can't find any real arguments. I'm sure if I combed through it I could find some holes in the logic or exemptions to the statements, but still. Microsoft has messed up bad this gen, going form what was the most dominant force to be reckoned with to a joke. the fact that they've focused so much on the Kinect tells me that they are not the kind of console I want to use. if I want gimmicks, I'll go to Nintendo; at least they deliver quality with their gimmicks. If I wanted to play something online, I'd go with Sony since online play is free (at least for now). if I wanted digital games, well, the Vita and PS3 have been giving me the most happiness lately, and offer outstanding cross buy deals.

I chose not to actively support Microsoft because I don't like their business practices, I don't like the "nickel-and-dime' mentality they seem to evoke, and I don't care for their exclusive titles. I can't even argue that 'all my friends play xbox so I should too', because all the gamers I knew either migrated to PS3 or got both. I have no reason to go with Xbox, other than the fact that I am a game reviewer and I want to be professional, unbiased, and versatile. If not for the game review gig, I honestly think I'd be comfortable avoiding NExtbox entirely, and even if I do get it, it'll be after a redesign or price drop, becuase right now, I just don't trust them to give me a functional console.

I know I sound like a fanboy, but I want to like everything. It's not my fault microsoft makes it hard for me to support them.

Also, nintendo has 3DS and Sony has Vita, both are awesome and have some cross system functionality or potential. if I buy an Xbox, I get nothing as deep as that. As it has been, I am a sony and Nintendo guy. it's up to Microsoft to change that. The ball's in their court, they need to bring their A-game.

As an aside, I also have a problem with my WORKING Xbox because it makes a grinding sound and I fear for it red ringing on me.  I have over 20 360 games I haven't played including Mass Effect...simply becuase I don't trust my Xbox to continue to work long enough to beat those games. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

I agree with a lot of what you stated. I myself fell for the apparently low cost and amazing multiplayer experience when in reality the 360 ended costing much more than the PS3, and I missed out on a ton of great exclusives in the long run. That said, the 360 wasn't all bad. It started off with good exclusives but over time MS just dropped it all for these stupid timed exclusivities and kinect. I hated those because I'd much rather have strong 1st party exclusives.

Next gen I am going with Sony since they have more REAL exclusives. They seemed to be toning down on the motion control gimmick and bringing good experiences. Online MP is free (which for me is HUGE as I see no reason to pay for it with MS when i can get it for free). PS Plus offers actual value with full retail games. And in general PS seems to be the brand that cares about the gamers, as opposed to just constantly trying to capture the casuals, which there is nothing wrong with, but MS are overdoing it in the expense of the gamers. I'll of course see what MS is bringing to the table before going with one, but if they continue the way they have been going, then Sony is the obvious choice.



 

Ms has gotten much better at making hardware, so no big deal there. They are a software company, so i expect some nice features in the next xbox.
However, their yearning to be like Apple is going to be their undoing. The Mass market moves on very quicly to other things. Kinect will never be as hyped as before no matter what they do, unless they bring something else to the table, something new.

I have said it so many times, the 360 had some major advantges, ms wont have this generation. They will be in 3rd place again, but much quicker.



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