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hivycox said:


You mad cause it might be true? I have an OP as stated in my statements earlier but that doesn't mean I doom-say Sony...

That are just fact that I listed:

1. Their stock went down
2. Tretton said that
3. a lot of poeple think that putting 8 gig GDDR5 RAM is not a great idea regarding the price

I'm just stating facts but you are talking about my supposed hate for Sony which I can't understand tbh


Stock goes up and it goes down. There are many reason why a stock may fluctuate, there is too much information out there to really pin point the cause. You are stating that Investestors are paying close attention to the cost of the ram, while I can counter with the fact that the stock market is ruled by computer algorhythems that make little sense to outside parties. I can also counter with the rapid decrease is cost of ddr ram once the initial fix cost are paid for and production & large quantities is bound to drop prices which could be good or bad for Sony if they are buying them are market price. In reality I don't know what type of contract/deal Sony was able to make with its Taiwanese partners, and I'm sure they are keeping those secrets tighter than their console specs & designs. 

There will always be some type of speculation when new products are introduced in to an ever-changing market; you telling everyone that Sony's Stock went down when the announcent of the PS4 Ram was announced made look at the price. It's currently sitting at $14.01. Down a wapping .50 cents from 21st of this month. True its is about a 3.5% decrease, but judging from weeks past, this isn't all too irregular for Sony's Stock to be fluctuating at these rates. You may be reading too much into someones observation man, or your observation is limited by your own narrow views.



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Gilgamesh said:

They're probabbly talking about things like how much GB of HDD to include or how many USB slots (2.0 or 3.0 or both).

This. The specs that we've heard thus far will most likely stay the same.



rubido said:
o_O.Q said:
rubido said:
Nsanity said:
hivycox said:
JoeTheBro said:
Yeah no. Sorry bud.


well Sony pulled that back in 2005 once...it isn't far fetched if you see what the RAM actually costs

They did?


I guess stuff like "It will run linux" and "it will be backwards compatible" comes to mind. But those were not in 2005. What happened in 2005? I'm also curious.

 

Pulling the 8GB to 4GB would not upset the developers so much as they have already been working only with 4GB. I myself thing the 8GB is not even necessary. Don't even think there the developers will be able to use much more than 4GB (they usually don't in PC games even when pushing it to the max).

Reducing it to 4GB would actually be a good move for sony. Only fanboys could actually think otherwise.


are you speaking of the same developers that sony thenselves said they increased the RAM to 8 gigs for?( who were after the conference declaring their satisfaction with the RAM ) or other developers we've never heard of?

one thing i must say though is that your concern for sony is touching lol


Do you understand the concept of diminishing returns? I guess you would be one of the fanboys I mentioned if you don't care about that.


your reply does nothing to contradict what i said 

the extra RAM was installed because of the requests from developers

are you implying that you have a better understanding of the requirements for their games than the developers do?



If I was a developer and had 4GB to work with and someone said I now had 8, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 8GB to work with and someone said I now had 16, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 16GB to work with and someone said I now had 32, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 32GB to work with and someone said I now had 64, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

The less a developer has to worry about anything makes it better for him. If Sony actually increased those 8 to 16, you probably will not see any developer complaining. But it will be terrible for Sony as the cost will go up and the results developers will get from the extra RAM will hardly be noticeable.

I bought my PC with 8GB of RAM. For a PC, that is currently a sweet spot. If I increase it to 16GB, for the stuff I do on it, I will see no increase in performance or quality of my games. I will get absolutely nothing out of it as I use at most 4GB of RAM. If I paid for more ram, I would get absolutely nothing out of it. Should I buy it then? Of course not.

The real question is if it's better for Sony.

BTW, this is diminishing returns: http://i.imgur.com/ChsSwUE.png



Obviously that is the little things he's talking about: The HDD, the final look of it, how many ports etc...



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That's minor changes... the project is already defined... the CPU, GPU, 8GB GDDR is already confirmed and that's will not change.

I can see a minor change in the clock of CPU and GPU... that's easy to put the GPU at 850Mhz and give us 1.96 TFLOPS.



rubido said:
If I was a developer and had 4GB to work with and someone said I now had 8, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 8GB to work with and someone said I now had 16, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 16GB to work with and someone said I now had 32, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

If I was a developer and had 32GB to work with and someone said I now had 64, I would obviously say I like the fact I have more.

The less a developer has to worry about anything makes it better for him. If Sony actually increased those 8 to 16, you probably will not see any developer complaining. But it will be terrible for Sony as the cost will go up and the results developers will get from the extra RAM will hardly be noticeable.

I bought my PC with 8GB of RAM. For a PC, that is currently a sweet spot. If I increase it to 16GB, for the stuff I do on it, I will see no increase in performance or quality of my games. I will get absolutely nothing out of it as I use at most 4GB of RAM. If I paid for more ram, I would get absolutely nothing out of it. Should I buy it then? Of course not.

The real question is if it's better for Sony.

BTW, this is diminishing returns: http://i.imgur.com/ChsSwUE.png

...now you're comparing arbitrary amounts of RAM to what devs requested

and yes i already knew what diminishing returns is but obviously i can concede that devs know far better than i do about whether their games have reached that point or not



The PS4 specs are all the devs are asking... so Sony will not change that.

No DVD, No eDRAM, no Bad Gamma, no PWL

Yes 8GB RAM

 

 



Chark said:
hivycox said:
LemonSlice said:
They pretty much released a list of all the specs. They're final.


Then why would Tretton come out and say otherwise?? This doesn't make any sense...maybe they are aware that a console with 8 gig GDDR5 would cost too much...look at their stock! They are investors who are afraid of the ps4 to be the ps3 all over again!


These are the kind of people that need to research their investments.


The only thing this rolling spec says to me is that Sony's only engineering goal is to trump the Xbox' spec. This is bad product management and leaving considerations like form-factor, power consumption and heat-load as last-minute considerations. Sony can't afford to finance another overpriced console, nor can they afford a reliability issue. So it's no wonder that investors would be nervous.



I know what diminishing returns is, but I wonder how well this concept can be applied to computer hardware when it is custom made (key word here) for a particular purpose. One usually uses this term to define people in a company; as in how many unit of labor a company needs before it is no longer profitable for the company. There is a formula, and a curve composed of calculus limit formulas. I don't know if this applies to circuitry though.

However, I do know of the word Bottle-neck too which usually is more common with technology, where one piece of hardware hinders the other components, as seen in computer hardware. In my opinion, It's too early tell if any of the components are going to hinder any of the next generation consoles, and it appears that Sony has been developing this machine for quite some time. So only time will tell.