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DaRev on 23 February 2013
Roar_Of_War said:

It's funny how people think investors are stupid. They're quite smart, actually.

 

They know Sony can't sell the PS4 at a profitable price while also obtaining reasonable market share in the 8th generation. It's either they sell it at a profitable price and get crappy market share, or they sell it at a loss and get higher market share (and who knows if it will even be good market share, even taking a loss. Look at Vita).

Sony might be forced to actually remove features to bring the price of PS4 down. Then people wll be more pissed than ever. They're in a very bad spot, to be quite honest.

 

This exact situation is probably what Nintendo was banking on the entire time with Wii U. I'm sure they didn't believe the market was ready for a true 8th gen console yet without throwing away money to sell the damn thing.

This my friend is almost a fact. Remember when PS3 was suppose to have 2 HDMI out, 2K resolution, Gears of War, etc, etc, etc? well, thing turned out very different at launch. Sony is just being Sony all over again by showing those amazing PS4 specs, but I think they are bluffing - no wonder they couldn't show the actaul console.

Maybe they are trying to get MS to make a move, and if that is there plan, somethings tells me their not going to like MS's answer. 

As for Nintendo, yeah they have a plan, as always, we'll just have to see if fortune smiles upon them once again.



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N-Magic on 23 February 2013
DaRev said:
Roar_Of_War said:

It's funny how people think investors are stupid. They're quite smart, actually.

 

They know Sony can't sell the PS4 at a profitable price while also obtaining reasonable market share in the 8th generation. It's either they sell it at a profitable price and get crappy market share, or they sell it at a loss and get higher market share (and who knows if it will even be good market share, even taking a loss. Look at Vita).

Sony might be forced to actually remove features to bring the price of PS4 down. Then people wll be more pissed than ever. They're in a very bad spot, to be quite honest.

 

This exact situation is probably what Nintendo was banking on the entire time with Wii U. I'm sure they didn't believe the market was ready for a true 8th gen console yet without throwing away money to sell the damn thing.

This my friend is almost a fact. Remember when PS3 was suppose to have 2 HDMI out, 2K resolution, Gears of War, etc, etc, etc? well, thing turned out very different at launch. Sony is just being Sony all over again by showing those amazing PS4 specs, but I think they are bluffing - no wonder they couldn't show the actaul console.

Maybe they are trying to get MS to make a move, and if that is there plan, somethings tells me their not going to like MS's answer. 

As for Nintendo, yeah they have a plan, as always, we'll just have to see if fortune smiles upon them once again.

Great words



small44 on 23 February 2013
Vinniegambini said:
Sadly, I believe that the PS4 will be Sony's demise if they do not change their business model and marketing strategy.

As seen through the press conference, Sony is focusing on the core gamer, much like the Vita, and it will turn against them. Furthermore, the system will be over 40 000 yen, judging by Japanese reports. Consequently, the system will not be competitively priced for the mass market where Nintendo and Microsoft offerings will be available at a cheaper price. In addition, next-generation games will also be available on the PS3 (Watch Dogs, Destiny, etc) - Sony has failed to convey the message as to why the consumer must jump on the next generation hardware, the PS4, if it offers nothing more than better graphics and social interactions, doing so at a premium price - it needs that 'I have to have it feature' - much like the Kinect and the Wii remote did to their respected consoles.

Nonetheless, it's too early to judge as we only know a small fraction of the bigger picture. Sony needs to bring their 'A' game, and that goes for Nintendo and Microsoft as well for E3. It will be very interesting.

Nintendo shares are up on the fact that the PS4 hardware will be expensive compared to the Wii U thus giving Nintendo the advantage in price point for the consumers.

Main Sony consummer are hardcore gamers it dosn't metter if they doing many casual games or not Casual gamer will going Nintendo and Microsoft. 



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

DaRev on 23 February 2013
Carl2291 said:
phenom08 said:


Thats what you saw, what investors saw was PS3 situation once again. Which wasnt good for investors lol. Expensive price tag and none of those games will push hardware lol. What exactly is your proof of better 3rd party support by the way? Destiny? Final Fantasy? The ports? Neither was announced as exclusive and both will probably be on 360/PS3. That wont help PS4 at all lol.

You clearly know nothing. Its nothing at all like the PS3. Its got developer support because its easy to develop for. The PS3 was the exact opposite. Its also not giving the competition, Microsoft, 12-16 Months headstart due to releasing this Year.

There are already over 80 developers making games for it. Some are making multiple games for it. It doesnt matter if theyre exclusive, because thats why Sony invested so much in 1st party development during the last 5 Years. They have a new deal with the biggest publisher on the planet, Activision, and continued good relationships with EA and Ubisoft.

On top of that, theyre also not releasing with a gimped, gimmicky controller. This is a superior upgrade, not a six-axis failure. Oh, and they have a top quality online system with PSN thats getting better as the day goes by... Not like the PSN of 06-07, which was terrible.

I don't remember what year it was, but there was an E3 before the PS3 was launched where they showed PS3 having a shit storm of support from 3rd party developers. What stood out for was that they showed the Gears of War demo for PS3. I mention all that to say this, PS3 ARGUABLY had much much more support before and during launch than the PS4 could ever hope to have. Remember as well, that PS3 was also the sucessor to the best selling console of all time - so Sony's arogance and ultimately support from 3rd parties was extremely high.

Ultimately, that plethera of power Sony showed concerning the PS4 means almost nothing at the end of the day, and investors know this.

By the way, who has the "gimped, gimmicky controller" - surely you are not referring to the WiiU?

Edit: your sig is very distracting



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DaRev on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DaRev said:
Pavolink said:
Some are very defensive.
Anyway, Lately, Nintendo shares have fallen almost every time they show something (good or bad), so nothing new.

If you were Mr. Iwata, which you're not, wouldn't you make a Zelda that looks like the one in your sig. and just watch the stock price rise?

If Nintendo have a brain, that's what they'll do. A Zelda like that would draw in tons of core gamers who have moved on from Nintendo. One that looks like Skyward Sword or Wind Waker would only alienate them further.

Yeah, sadly Nintendo makes some 'strange' decisions some times. They are a bunch of stubborn old men running that company.



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Raze on 23 February 2013
artur-fernand said:
I can't believe there are already people saying that Sony is doomed. It's been just 2 days since the console announcement, can't you wait at least a week guys?

Also when the 3DS was released, didn't Nintendo's shares suffered the worst drop in like a decade or something like that? And yet, the console is almost hitting the 30 million mark. DOOMED INDEED!


Agreed! Everyone just wants to see their "rival company" fall. I think we've had like 500 "Wii U  is doomed!" threads too. It takes a year for a product to be out in the market before you can assess it's sales potential. A week, a month, a few months are all blips on the radar in the game industry.



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DaRev on 23 February 2013
newwil7l said:
nnodley said:
Roar_Of_War said:

The economy is worse than what it was when the PS3 launched at $600. Video game consoles likely can't be more than $300 in this generation, or else it just scares consumers away.

That's very true, but both Europe and Japan are sony's territories (which could change) and they will buy anything sony throws at them no matter the cost it seems. At least that's what it seems like to me.


Japan used to be Sonyland. Nintendo owns Japan now and the dominance is unreal

Yep, I would losely say, Japan = Nintendo, Europe = Sony, USA = Microsoft (and some Sony).



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newwil7l on 23 February 2013
DaRev said:
newwil7l said:
nnodley said:
Roar_Of_War said:

The economy is worse than what it was when the PS3 launched at $600. Video game consoles likely can't be more than $300 in this generation, or else it just scares consumers away.

That's very true, but both Europe and Japan are sony's territories (which could change) and they will buy anything sony throws at them no matter the cost it seems. At least that's what it seems like to me.


Japan used to be Sonyland. Nintendo owns Japan now and the dominance is unreal

Yep, I would losely say, Japan = Nintendo, Europe = Sony, USA = Microsoft (and some Sony).



Why do you say, USA=Microsoft(and some Sony)

DaRev on 23 February 2013
Jumpin said:
Well, I am not really sure that the PS4 will be as expensive to produce as PS3 was in 2006. In fact, probably significantly less so.

For starters, the CPU, when PS3 was released, it had specs that were fairly high end and on an expensive to produce cell processor, whereas PS4 has more high-medium end specs compared to PCs today. 8 core 1.6GHz AMD processor is not going to be nearly as expensive as an i7 quad core 3.4GHz processor.

Drives: The PS3 also used blu-ray drives which were new at the time, and expensive to produce. Now the technology is 6 years old and quite a bit less expensive.

Agreed - but something tells me that even if the PS4 comes at around $450, it still will be too expensive for more than the absolute hardcore gamer. Don't let all these so called hardcore Sony fans, or core gamers on the whole, fool you, as these are the same ones that will sit on the fence until they can get the PS4 at a bundle price or better than launch deal. For example, Sony made the Vita for this same type of gamer, and those gamers have largely ignored the Vita. Now Sony is making the PS4 for this same type of gamer, and I expect that these gamers will be cautious about PS4 as well, regardless of the launch price that is around $450.

So, what ever the price of the PS4, i.e. anything around $450, gamers will be gamers and sitt on the fence ultil they can get an even better deal, IMHO.



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DaRev on 23 February 2013
newwil7l said:
DaRev said:
newwil7l said:
nnodley said:
Roar_Of_War said:

The economy is worse than what it was when the PS3 launched at $600. Video game consoles likely can't be more than $300 in this generation, or else it just scares consumers away.

That's very true, but both Europe and Japan are sony's territories (which could change) and they will buy anything sony throws at them no matter the cost it seems. At least that's what it seems like to me.


Japan used to be Sonyland. Nintendo owns Japan now and the dominance is unreal

Yep, I would losely say, Japan = Nintendo, Europe = Sony, USA = Microsoft (and some Sony).


Why do you say, USA=Microsoft(and some Sony)

Considering the current week on week sales (not necessarily lifetime) of the current consoles as detailed on this site's front page, for one.



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