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DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:

If you read the OP you'd see I said developers WANTED to develop for Wii, but they got gimped dev kits making it even harder to make games for it than it already was...


So instead they turned to the PS3, which is still considered one of the most difficult platforms to develop for due to it's completely different architecture than other systems.

Yeah....makes sense, indeed....

Perhaps Sony didn't gimp the dev kits?


So your response is "Well Sony didn't gimp the kits, so people were encouraged to develop for it, despite the incredible difficulty in effectively developing for it, and increasing their own production time significantly"

Pretty stupid thing for any business to do over a grudge....and you say the whole industry was doing this?

I'm only telling you want I've been told by a trustworthy source. I don't know why people developed for PS3 and not the Wii.

Sounds to me like your "trustworthy source" doesn't have much business sense. And this "trustworthy source" speaks for the entire industry of third party developers?

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...

Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?

I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.



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fordy said:
DanneSandin said:

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...

Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?

I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I said that Nintendo is fucking up big times.



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DanneSandin said:

It was in fact EA that found out that Nintendo was giving them gimped dev kits, and that's apparently why they walked away.

Well, as you don't name the company your source work for, I assume he don't work for EA. That means, your source in a 3rd-party-dev that is probably strongly connected to Sony (based on all the info about Sony) has heard that some EA-devs have found out about the gimped dev-kits by decompiling (or getting access to source) some 1st-party-game. So even your source knows this stuff not from own experience but only as something he heard from others. Makes this info more unstable. Maybe you can be more specific: which 1st-party-game was it, that used more RAM than the dev-kits for 3rd-party offered? So far released are Nintendoland, NSMBU and Sing Party (if I'm right). Coming games are Game&Wario, WiiFitU, Pikmin 3 and more in the future Mario Kart and 3D Mario. We expect also a Zelda WW HD remake this year. Smash Bros and new zelda probably are not coming this year. So the game from this year that might be make use of the extra RAM is Pikmin - more for the status on the creatures (not only the pikmin, also the enemies) than for graphic. Everything else this year should be not pushing the usage of RAM - although every dev is happy about more of it. But it makes no sense to keep RAM from third-parties, if you use it only in games, that would work with less. So Pikmin is my guess could be the only game that was using this. Only one game have an edge over competition seems like a poor result for scaring away 3rd-party. Zelda and SSB might have use for that extra RAM, but they are at least a year away.



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DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:

If you read the OP you'd see I said developers WANTED to develop for Wii, but they got gimped dev kits making it even harder to make games for it than it already was...


So instead they turned to the PS3, which is still considered one of the most difficult platforms to develop for due to it's completely different architecture than other systems.

Yeah....makes sense, indeed....

Perhaps Sony didn't gimp the dev kits?


So your response is "Well Sony didn't gimp the kits, so people were encouraged to develop for it, despite the incredible difficulty in effectively developing for it, and increasing their own production time significantly"

Pretty stupid thing for any business to do over a grudge....and you say the whole industry was doing this?

I'm only telling you want I've been told by a trustworthy source. I don't know why people developed for PS3 and not the Wii.

Sounds to me like your "trustworthy source" doesn't have much business sense. And this "trustworthy source" speaks for the entire industry of third party developers?

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...

Dont even know why you bothered with him, anyone with common sense knows that danm near all games this gen were made with 360 in mind and then ported over to PS3, doesnt matter how difficult it was to make games for PS3 it still didnt require having to remake the game from the ground up like it would have for Wii, so that was always a silly argument.  Why the hell are people even still using that? its 2013, devs learned awhile ago how to work with PS3



DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
 

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...

Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?

I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I said that Nintendo is fucking up big times.


Nintendo is fucking up because your agument is illogical? No, they've been doing so long before that.

 

Let me give you an example of this. I'm an executive, and I call for a game to be developed for the Wii. Now, as an executive, how do you think I'd react if my developers came back and said "We refuse to develop for the Wii because we're not entitled to the same memory allocation as Nintendo"? Keep in mind that the executive doesn't give two shits about technicalities, they're in charge of financial and overall business decisions.

A working example of this was Square moving from Nintendo exlcusitivity. It wasn't done on a TECHNICAL sense. It was done on a FINANCIAL sense. In fact, look up some youtube videos on the history of Squaresoft, and the workers at the time explained how executives came in one day and just told the team "We're going with PlayStation now". It wasn't the devs making this decision, they just did what they were told. A lot of devs were excited, and a lot of devs were disappointed by the decision, but they still had to follow executive orders.



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DanneSandin said:
Boutros said:
DanneSandin said:
Boutros said:
Steam is coming to the PS4.

Is that confirmed?

You just did.

naha!!

Battle.net maybe? With blizzard supporting it not impossible I guess and you also said they kind of mentioned it already. Oh, does this mean WoW on PS4?

fordy said:







DanneSandin said:







fordy said:







DanneSandin said:







 

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...



Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?


I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.



I couldn't agree more, and that's why I said that Nintendo is fucking up big times.




Nintendo is fucking up because your agument is illogical? No, they've been doing so long before that.


 


Let me give you an example of this. I'm an executive, and I call for a game to be developed for the Wii. Now, as an executive, how do you think I'd react if my developers came back and said "We refuse to develop for the Wii because we're not entitled to the same memory allocation as Nintendo"? Keep in mind that the executive doesn't give two shits about technicalities, they're in charge of financial and overall business decisions.


A working example of this was Square moving from Nintendo exlcusitivity. It wasn't done on a TECHNICAL sense. It was done on a FINANCIAL sense. In fact, look up some youtube videos on the history of Squaresoft, and the workers at the time explained how executives came in one day and just told the team "We're going with PlayStation now". It wasn't the devs making this decision, they just did what they were told. A lot of devs were excited, and a lot of devs were disappointed by the decision, but they still had to follow executive orders.


I think Square abandoned Nintendo because of the lack of a cd-rom. They just thought it was the future, turns out they were right. A mistake Nintendo still haven't recovered from.

 



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This big service that he is so called not talking about is the cross game voice chat that Microsoft currently has, but there is more. You will also be able to play online games competitively on the PS4 and PC.

You see DaaneSandin, was that so much to ask. That's all you had to say.

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regin2005 said:
*sigh*

I know what this Megaton will be. Its actually a bunch of titles from Rare that Microsoft made and Nintendo had on the N64 at some point. Rare will join Sony and the announcement will be made at this years E3 conference. Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie will all be apart of the Sony family from that point forward.

This big service that he is so called not talking about is the cross game voice chat that Microsoft currently has, but there is more. You will also be able to play online games competitively on the PS4 and PC.

You see DaaneSandin, was that so much to ask. That's all you had to say.

The End.

Derp.



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A203D said:
Hito564 said:
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Well it seems like the Xbox 720 will have 8GB. The PS4 has 8GB. The problem with Nintendo is that their console has 1-2GB of RAM, not to mention other specs that I don't know much about.

Its their own fault because they made more money than Sony and Microsoft with the Wii, they had the resources to come up with a console on par with their consoles, instead of creating a console thats going to be outclassed by the PS4 and the Xbox 720 in the a space of one year.


Nintendo never had a chance considering their current philosophy. To go from the Wii to a PS4-type console is quite possible, but it would be far too giant of a leap in terms of development costs in my opinion. It would be fair to say that Nintendo should have prepared for HD development years in advance, but what you are asking also took the the industry at least five-six years to fully understand the capabilities of the PS360. So it would be like asking Nintendo to fast track over that part and start making games on par with next-gen tech demos now which is unreasonable. Though, I'm sure third parties would appreciate the hardware.

Personally, I'm not that concerned with third parties. Their first party software and exclusives are much more valueable. The Wii money should be used to expand and start up new studios to gain more developers and increase their software output.

And Nintendo didn't necessarily have to from Wii to PS4 architecture. I mean it looks like that 8GB of PS4 memory is partly because of the Share feature which I would imagine takes a bit of memory. We don't know how much memory developers are allowed to utilise for the PS4 memory. It might not be the full 8GB, not to mention memory for the OS.

Its possible Nintendo could have given the Wii U 4GB of memory and still secured third party games without any of the specialist online features Microsoft and Sony are going for. They could have made it slightly less powerful than both consoles, kept the price cheaper and still secured the same third party games.

I somewhat agree on those two paragraphs. If I was Nintendo, I would have also given the Wii U 4GB of memory. Though, its only half of the PS4 memory, that would have been a slightly better outcome. Since, Nintendo is all right with taking a loss on hardware nowadays, they could've easily priced the console  cheaper and taken a bigger loss. Third party support in my opion is a lost cause for Nintendo. Unless you mean Japan, Nintendo doesn't have the same influence as Sony or Microsoft.



regin2005 said:
*sigh*

I know what this Megaton will be. Its actually a bunch of titles from Rare that Microsoft made and Nintendo had on the N64 at some point. Rare will join Sony and the announcement will be made at this years E3 conference. Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie will all be apart of the Sony family from that point forward.

This big service that he is so called not talking about is the cross game voice chat that Microsoft currently has, but there is more. You will also be able to play online games competitively on the PS4 and PC.

You see DaaneSandin, was that so much to ask. That's all you had to say.

The End.

The thing is if this is it, Why would Nintendo fans care that much since they haven't had these franchises since the N64 era. If anything, they may actually be happier with this as many Nintendo SNES game franchises have already shifted to Playstation. All this will mean is that more of their favourite franchises will end up on playsation. Thefore there will be no need for these peopel to own 3 consoles but 2 now. It is a win win situation.

At the same time WHY would Micrososft fans care if Rare hasn't really produced many of these games whilst working for Microsoft.