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Nothing, just as long my ... 94 64.38%
 
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This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.



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spaceguy said:
Otakumegane said:
I think OP is forgetting the #1 rule of business. The consumers are never wrong. If software companies fail it's their own fault.

You say Gamestop is killing the industry, but Walmart, best buy, and other places sell used games too ya know.....

Watch used games be banned and the industry crashes in to the ground, leaving companies saying "Hurr durr why'd we fail?"

Is EA code registration failing their games? No I don't think so.

After reading this thread, I'm Completely for it now. I was a little skeptic at first but this thread has proved it should be done. The people that buy second hand don't help the business anyway. I have first hand with my brother who buys this way all the time.  He never buys new and most likely makes a used game make 2 rounds at a minimum. If you can't afford a $10-$15 code, than maybe you shouldn't be playing games. Plus I already named that all would happen is that Game stop would offer less money for used games. Not a big deal but people are freaking out. You get less money for used games and I pay less when buying new. It's a fair trade because the used buyer is ruining the industry.  it's either that or games have to go up in price. I'm  not willing to pay for assholes like my brother.
Yes he is a cheap fuck.

The problem with your arguement is how one-sided it is second hand games and gamestop had a part to play in this but your trying to make it sound like if you eliminate them it will fix the problem.We moved for SD to HD this generation the budget needed to make a game double sometimes tripled a game that could slel 1 mill or half a mill and be successful now needs to do 2mill to even break even.These games are selling what they are suppose to sell it's just that i'ts not enough anymore it has to do with the corner the industry has painted inself into in terms of how much it take to make a game and how much you can realisticly expect to sell as much as used games.

What about the majority of people trading in games to gamestop put that credit towards new games what about online passes where if you buy used you have to pay for the functionaly of a new game what about micro transations in games that get companies money what about preorder bonuses that force you to buy new.What about companies cutting content from games and on top of the $60 I pay for a game I have to then shell out for dlc.

 



venomcarnage said:
spaceguy said:
Otakumegane said:
I think OP is forgetting the #1 rule of business. The consumers are never wrong. If software companies fail it's their own fault.

You say Gamestop is killing the industry, but Walmart, best buy, and other places sell used games too ya know.....

Watch used games be banned and the industry crashes in to the ground, leaving companies saying "Hurr durr why'd we fail?"

Is EA code registration failing their games? No I don't think so.

After reading this thread, I'm Completely for it now. I was a little skeptic at first but this thread has proved it should be done. The people that buy second hand don't help the business anyway. I have first hand with my brother who buys this way all the time.  He never buys new and most likely makes a used game make 2 rounds at a minimum. If you can't afford a $10-$15 code, than maybe you shouldn't be playing games. Plus I already named that all would happen is that Game stop would offer less money for used games. Not a big deal but people are freaking out. You get less money for used games and I pay less when buying new. It's a fair trade because the used buyer is ruining the industry.  it's either that or games have to go up in price. I'm  not willing to pay for assholes like my brother.
Yes he is a cheap fuck.

The problem with your arguement is how one-sided it is second hand games and gamestop had a part to play in this but your trying to make it sound like if you eliminate them it will fix the problem.We moved for SD to HD this generation the budget needed to make a game double sometimes tripled a game that could slel 1 mill or half a mill and be successful now needs to do 2mill to even break even.These games are selling what they are suppose to sell it's just that i'ts not enough anymore it has to do with the corner the industry has painted inself into in terms of how much it take to make a game and how much you can realisticly expect to sell as much as used games.

What about the majority of people trading in games to gamestop put that credit towards new games what about online passes where if you buy used you have to pay for the functionaly of a new game what about micro transations in games that get companies money what about preorder bonuses that force you to buy new.What about companies cutting content from games and on top of the $60 I pay for a game I have to then shell out for dlc.

 

What about the game they traded in that gets brought back and forth to game stop. I asked yesterday when I was their. I said, how many times do games make it in and out of here, he answered and said a lot. I told him of my blog and he said he really couldn't say much but agreed.  yes this is just anecdotal evidence but it just pushes me more and more that way.



CharmedontheWB said:
This is capitalism--you either sink or swim. It is not my responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a company in business. The same way it is not the government's responsibility to find new and creative ways to keep a dollar in my pocket. If I mismanage my funds then I pay the price, the same is to be said for any company. Square went bankrupt because of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. They made a bad decision and it cost them into a merger with Enix. If you cannot afford to spend $120M dollars then you should not spend it. If you take a gamble and lose then that is your problem, not mine. There are a number of small studios that have stayed in business because they have made good business decisions. The used game market is a legitimate industry. If you have a problem with it then you also have a problem with capitalism. As a consumer I determine what value my dollar holds. As long as I am going through legitimate channels there should not be a problem which product I choose.

Infrastructer has always been massive jobs programs and also moves products quicker to their destination. Time is money and the faster it gets there, the faster transactions happen, the more money is made. Plus the people doing the work make good money, then go out and spend that extra money. Goverment is a jobs program in a sense. With out a goverment you have no market. They decide the rules and what you make, the acceptable treatment and the works. So don't go telling me about politics.

 The software company can make their own rules with their own products. I hate when people use the capitalism comment. you don't even know what  real capitalist is do you? It's a person who lives off investments. If the goverment don't put in rules I can come take all there money and if there is no rules, whos going to stop me. The free market is a two word sound bite made for dumb people. C'mon. There is no such thing. Free market would mean no rules. Meaning I just take your money. Now before you come on a rant about capitalism, learn some sh-t first.



spaceguy said:
I just realized that most of you are the same ones not every buying new and are a part of the problem. Most likely the people that want everything free and thinking second hand games don't hurt the market is just putting your head in the sand.

One game being sold second hand can take the place of 10 games new. That simple. other markets have way higher mark ups. Cars have parts and so do most other markets. So either you people that are cheap have to pay more or me the person who buys new has to have higher cost on new games. I say, none of you really buy that many new games, so it should be you to have to pay.

You have been warned, one or the other is going to happen. new games go way up in price or second hand market takes a hit. Personally all you complaining seem very, very, very, very ,very cheap. WOW!!!
So the cheap skats need to pay more.

I buy every game new and never resell.  You are the one putting your head in the sand.  All the academic research on the topic says that used markets help support new markets.  They do not hurt.



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Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.



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Holy crap.  If Rockstar and EA are really spending this much money on these games they deserve to go out of business.  The Avengers was a huge blockbuster that was a gauranteed success.  That was why they could afford to spend that much money making it.

Both franchises above are not first tier.  I suppose you could call them second tier at best.  Spending that much money on these games is insane.  It would be like spending $200 million dollars to make a romantic comedy and expecting to make money.  



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leatherhat said:

Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.

EA Labels president Frank Gibeau explains, “In general we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space. Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.

EDIT: To be fair to EA, they don't get all of that $60 from a retail sale.  The game needs to produce that much gross revenue.  I can't remember the figure off the top of my head what the publisher ends up getting.



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theRepublic said:
leatherhat said:

Whats the source on dead space 3 costing 300 million dollars? Even EA isn't stupid enough to spend 33% more than the avengers on a video game.

EA Labels president Frank Gibeau explains, “In general we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space. Anything less than that and it becomes quite difficult financially given how expensive it is to make games and market them.

Doesn't seem like they need five million, just that EA is a greedy company that will only continue massive hit IPs. Perpetually chasing the next call of duty. 



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The best way to stop second hand games is to sell new games cheaper, and reward the costumer for buying new games, and not punishing the one that buys used games (online pass).

The ones that buy the games new should register their games with the company and after doing they get all the DLC planed for Free.  If you bought it used you wont be able to register it because it was registered by the first user, so you would need to buy the DLC.   That is what I would do If I own a videogame company.