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If PS4 and 720 do not support used games then the WiiU has already won

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I think Microsoft and Sony are prepping themselves to be rid of Gamestop the gen after this new coming gen. I don't think they are going to get rid of used games in this exact gen.



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Dand said:
BasilZero said:
riderz13371 said:
Doesn't affect me, I never buy games used.


This +1

 

I only buy new especially when they are dirt cheap ;O

Then this affect you, because one of the main reasons the games get cheap with time is so that they can have a competitive price in front of the used games market.

I seriously doubt that, I usually buy the games when they are "Greatest Hits" (i.e. God of War III) or if the games dont sell as well (i.e. FFXIII-2). Even if they dont still wont affect me - Nintendo's first party titles were at full price for a good 5-6 years before the price went down at least where I live and I had bought them all at full price. If I REALLY want the game, I'll get it at full price otherwise the market with all the competition will have sales and discounts on sites/distributors like Amazon and Steam Store.

Market will change accordingly and so will my amount of funds in the future even if (the market) it doesnt.

Edit: I'm not for or against this idea, I'm just neutral and really dont care as far as my interests are concerned. Only reason why I would be against it is people who might lose jobs over this idea.



    

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It'd be interesting, while it would help Nintendo as they'd have a key selling point over the competition, it may (further) hinder their push for third party support. Any measures like this will have been put in as an industry wide type intiative among both Sony, Microsoft and third parties and as such will probably see more software investments in those hardware platforms.

However, I don't think either console will see a flat-out removal of used games. It;s just neither needed anymore or the most sensible way to monetize that section of the market. Instead I see things like online passes expanding to other key components of games - some of which may even be offline. I see games pushing further to monetize long-term sale of ingame items / content or subscription based things like COD Elite / Battlefield 3 premium. There's no need to flat out kill the used game industry anymore, as next gen is gonna push to extract more $$$'s from a games life long after the player has bought it, and that can just as easily find profits from those with used game copies.

I think big changes are due in the next gen and a lot of the negative press from the next Sony / Microsoft consoles are going to be aimed at how they try to get more money from gamers long after initial purchase. This will prevent them from raising the price of a game above $60 mind.



don't bet on it. i buy cheap, and new. unless i'm on the edge about the game, then i buy used, and take it back and buy new if i like it. or get my money back if i don't like it.

but since we have demos, there's no nee to take that risk.



if conegamer said that then what can i say, xbox720 and ps4 are doomed omfg !!!



 

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Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Nope. Gamers would whine a bit and life would go on as usual =/

Disagree. The market for used games is huge, especially as publishers drive up prices and rely on a "cat in the bag" philosophy to sell these games full-price. High risk for consumers in a lot of cases, which is mediated by the fact that they have the possibility of selling it back and at least getting some of their money back.

The core gamers will whine but continue to buy whichever platform they prefer, but the mainstream market for Sony and Microsoft consoles will be eviscerated.


Perhaps. It was more of a snarky swipe at the usual passiveness of the human species :P

But I think the core market for both consoles is bigger than you are supposing right there. Look at the ammount of people alone who buy the same game for full price every November. Or consider the possible workarounds to make the market more appealing, like more demos and services like PSN+. That being said, I doubt even in the unlikely case this whole used game block is for real, Sony and MS will still have all the major IPs locked to them, for EA, Activison, Ubisoft, Capcom and SE aren't going to change camp. 



 

 

 

 

 

Obviously, if this was true I would automatically buy a Wii U whenever they launched and was still true.



haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Nope. Gamers would whine a bit and life would go on as usual =/

Disagree. The market for used games is huge, especially as publishers drive up prices and rely on a "cat in the bag" philosophy to sell these games full-price. High risk for consumers in a lot of cases, which is mediated by the fact that they have the possibility of selling it back and at least getting some of their money back.

The core gamers will whine but continue to buy whichever platform they prefer, but the mainstream market for Sony and Microsoft consoles will be eviscerated.


Perhaps. It was more of a snarky swipe at the usual passiveness of the human species :P

But I think the core market for both consoles is bigger than you are supposing right there. Look at the ammount of people alone who buy the same game for full price every November. Or consider the possible workarounds to make the market more appealing, like more demos and services like PSN+. That being said, I doubt even in the unlikely case this whole used game block is for real, Sony and MS will still have all the major IPs locked to them, for EA, Activison, Ubisoft, Capcom and SE aren't going to change camp. 

A lot of the CoD audience is casuals in the pre-Wii/DS sense of the word. Time was the people who just played Madden, Halo, and GTA and not much else were the casual gamers, and the people who played more obscure stuff like Shadow of the Colossus or Ikaruga were the core. The Madden-CoD casual is very much ingrained in the used games market. If you came to America and went to any GameStop, a lot of the used games you find are Madden and CoD, and how many people would have bought the game annually at full price, knowing that they were stuck with it?

Or, if there were a version of it that they could resell, they would gravitate towards it, possibly.



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Mr Khan said:

A lot of the CoD audience is casuals in the pre-Wii/DS sense of the word. Time was the people who just played Madden, Halo, and GTA and not much else were the casual gamers, and the people who played more obscure stuff like Shadow of the Colossus or Ikaruga were the core. The Madden-CoD casual is very much ingrained in the used games market. If you came to America and went to any GameStop, a lot of the used games you find are Madden and CoD, and how many people would have bought the game annually at full price, knowing that they were stuck with it?

Or, if there were a version of it that they could resell, they would gravitate towards it, possibly.


Who knows. Probably a lot of them. The thing is, if Sony and MS were at least at one point seriously considering it, it's because someone pushed for it. Someone meaning the developers and publishers here. If their market researches show they were to profit from it... who am I to question it right. 



 

 

 

 

 

spurgeonryan said:

I just read a post from Conegamer saying they will not support used games. WHAT! I am not too into news from the other sides, bud sounds dumb to me. Gamers are happy they will be stopping used sales of their games?

 

10 percent cheaper digital games does not seem like a good trade.


The first system that does not allow the use of used games and charges $60 for their games new will be the very first US released system that I WILL NOT buy.  I don't buy many used games, but I do sell off the ones that I do not wish to keep.  The max I will spend on any downloaded game (can't be re-sold) is $20.  What these publishers don't get is that if people can't sell their used copies, less new ones will be sold as a lot of people that I know will give a game a chance with the thought that if they don't like it, they'll just sell it.  Other use the money that get from their used game to purchase a new one...that would be gone two....



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