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don't bet on it. i buy cheap, and new. unless i'm on the edge about the game, then i buy used, and take it back and buy new if i like it. or get my money back if i don't like it.

but since we have demos, there's no nee to take that risk.



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Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Nope. Gamers would whine a bit and life would go on as usual =/

Disagree. The market for used games is huge, especially as publishers drive up prices and rely on a "cat in the bag" philosophy to sell these games full-price. High risk for consumers in a lot of cases, which is mediated by the fact that they have the possibility of selling it back and at least getting some of their money back.

The core gamers will whine but continue to buy whichever platform they prefer, but the mainstream market for Sony and Microsoft consoles will be eviscerated.


Perhaps. It was more of a snarky swipe at the usual passiveness of the human species :P

But I think the core market for both consoles is bigger than you are supposing right there. Look at the ammount of people alone who buy the same game for full price every November. Or consider the possible workarounds to make the market more appealing, like more demos and services like PSN+. That being said, I doubt even in the unlikely case this whole used game block is for real, Sony and MS will still have all the major IPs locked to them, for EA, Activison, Ubisoft, Capcom and SE aren't going to change camp. 



 

 

 

 

 

Obviously, if this was true I would automatically buy a Wii U whenever they launched and was still true.



haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Nope. Gamers would whine a bit and life would go on as usual =/

Disagree. The market for used games is huge, especially as publishers drive up prices and rely on a "cat in the bag" philosophy to sell these games full-price. High risk for consumers in a lot of cases, which is mediated by the fact that they have the possibility of selling it back and at least getting some of their money back.

The core gamers will whine but continue to buy whichever platform they prefer, but the mainstream market for Sony and Microsoft consoles will be eviscerated.


Perhaps. It was more of a snarky swipe at the usual passiveness of the human species :P

But I think the core market for both consoles is bigger than you are supposing right there. Look at the ammount of people alone who buy the same game for full price every November. Or consider the possible workarounds to make the market more appealing, like more demos and services like PSN+. That being said, I doubt even in the unlikely case this whole used game block is for real, Sony and MS will still have all the major IPs locked to them, for EA, Activison, Ubisoft, Capcom and SE aren't going to change camp. 

A lot of the CoD audience is casuals in the pre-Wii/DS sense of the word. Time was the people who just played Madden, Halo, and GTA and not much else were the casual gamers, and the people who played more obscure stuff like Shadow of the Colossus or Ikaruga were the core. The Madden-CoD casual is very much ingrained in the used games market. If you came to America and went to any GameStop, a lot of the used games you find are Madden and CoD, and how many people would have bought the game annually at full price, knowing that they were stuck with it?

Or, if there were a version of it that they could resell, they would gravitate towards it, possibly.



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Mr Khan said:

A lot of the CoD audience is casuals in the pre-Wii/DS sense of the word. Time was the people who just played Madden, Halo, and GTA and not much else were the casual gamers, and the people who played more obscure stuff like Shadow of the Colossus or Ikaruga were the core. The Madden-CoD casual is very much ingrained in the used games market. If you came to America and went to any GameStop, a lot of the used games you find are Madden and CoD, and how many people would have bought the game annually at full price, knowing that they were stuck with it?

Or, if there were a version of it that they could resell, they would gravitate towards it, possibly.


Who knows. Probably a lot of them. The thing is, if Sony and MS were at least at one point seriously considering it, it's because someone pushed for it. Someone meaning the developers and publishers here. If their market researches show they were to profit from it... who am I to question it right. 



 

 

 

 

 

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spurgeonryan said:

I just read a post from Conegamer saying they will not support used games. WHAT! I am not too into news from the other sides, bud sounds dumb to me. Gamers are happy they will be stopping used sales of their games?

 

10 percent cheaper digital games does not seem like a good trade.


The first system that does not allow the use of used games and charges $60 for their games new will be the very first US released system that I WILL NOT buy.  I don't buy many used games, but I do sell off the ones that I do not wish to keep.  The max I will spend on any downloaded game (can't be re-sold) is $20.  What these publishers don't get is that if people can't sell their used copies, less new ones will be sold as a lot of people that I know will give a game a chance with the thought that if they don't like it, they'll just sell it.  Other use the money that get from their used game to purchase a new one...that would be gone two....



Stop hating and start playing.

I honestly think this will only affect hardcore gamers (ala people on this site who actually read up about these things), but I think most actually take gaming too seriously to ignore their system of choice because of the used game policy.

The average gamers only buys a handful of games each year. They don't need used titles...

If you don't like nintendo Ips, your not gonna buy a wii U... simple. IF you don't play halo, fable or gears (or anything new the announce) but you're loving what sony is showing off, then you're not gonna pick up 720 just to make a political statement. You end up spending $40 extra each year, its not the end of the world. It reminds of when people said they would not support games with online passes. I wonder how many people actually followed up on that and avoided a game they would have otherwise bought.



riderz13371 said:
Doesn't affect me, I never buy games used.


Same here. Doesn't affect me whatsoever. 



teigaga said:

I honestly think this will only affect hardcore gamers (ala people on this site who actually read up about these things), but I think most actually take gaming too seriously to ignore their system of choice because of the used game policy.

The average gamers only buys a handful of games each year. They don't need used titles...

If you don't like nintendo Ips, your not gonna buy a wii U... simple. IF you don't play halo, fable or gears (or anything new the announce) but you're loving what sony is showing off, then you're not gonna pick up 720 just to make a political statement. You end up spending $40 extra each year, its not the end of the world. It reminds of when people said they would not support games with online passes. I wonder how many people actually followed up on that and avoided a game they would have otherwise bought.


You really think people are that stupid?

 

Lets say I am a parent in a low income family, wanting to buy a console for my child - I don't know which console I want, I will form that opinion by looking at the games on display in the store I go into, and possibly talking to a worker there.

 

I look at the PS4, all the games are $120 AU (130 US), I look at the 720, all the games are $130 US. I look at the Wii U, there are some games for $130 US - the new ones, there are other 1st hand games that have been discounted to $30-120 US to compete with 2nd hand prices, and there are some 2nd hand for $20 - 90 US).

 

Which am I gonna choose?

 

Edit: At the people saying they don't buy or sell games 2nd hand, this still effects you. Developers will not want to put their games on a console where they have to sell them for $30 less for customers to see them as worth the same. (Non Australians may want to replace $30 with the average trade in price of a used game in your country).



If this is true I will be disappointed. I buy new games but am aware that some people cannot always afford to.
If you are going through hard financial times, waiting for a few weeks or so for that £10 or £15 second hand discount can make a difference.

If I buy a product why should it instantly become worthless? I speak in a financial sense.

I really hope Sony do not do this. MS maybe, I am guessing it won't affect their biggest market too much.

Second hand games stores are legal, pays taxes and employs people like any other business. Why the hate? Why the greed?
This is how it works. What next? No second hand phones, cars, TVs, DVDs, Blu-Rays?

However, I don't think this will happen. Then again, I thought many would never happened and they did.