There's criticism, and then there's what I'm talking about. A person can go "Wii U lacks any software that interests me, or people like me", and that's a criticism. But what I'm talking about is when the person goes "Wii U is going to fail because it's never going to get any 3rd party support because the Wii U is a last-gen system". That's not criticism, that's childishness. And it's rampant here and elsewhere on the net.

The exact same sort of behaviour is also being seen with regards to the Vita. Indeed, between the Wii U and the Vita, you've probably got upwards of 100 threads here on VGChartz in the last 4 months predicting "DOOM", consistently on a childish basis, with people actually taking glee from a system struggling.

It wasn't by accident that I said all of that in a post that wasn't a response to any particular person. That's because I'm not responding to a particular person when I say it. The whole point of that post was to emphasise how stupid it is to talk like that about any system.

Those are the same arguments that were used to prove that the Wii was going to bounce back from the decline, the games and the peripherals that were coming soon and while there is room for improvement, there is little evidence that it will occurr any time soon, comparing the Wii U to the 360, for instance, is worthless, they are two entirely different consoles in entirely different circumstances made by two companies from different worlds. Comparing it to the 3DS is equally futile, again these are entirely different cirumstances, one would think that people would have learned by now that history with vague similarity, fancy graphs and aligned launches are a poor indicator of the future. I guess not.

Winning back the casual crowd will be impossible, the product itself is designed from the bottom with major faults that ensures it will never fully entice casuals or core gamers. Some bad and hasty decisions have been made regarding the Wii U and its current sales situation was entirely predictable based on these. The price tag is fine, have you seen the going rate for iPad's and iPhones's and the competition? Casuals are fine dosing out the dough for these and playing games on them and that's Nintendo's problem now; the Wii mainly lived off of a market that has all but disappeared from the home console base and won't come back, social gaming, tablets and smartphones has wooed this crowd and taken them in completely and the very nature, bulk and appeal of the home console goes against the new casual consumer philosophy. The market has gone and left Nintendo behind (and will do the same to Sony and MS if they don't respond accordingly), they have trouble adjusting to a market they do not dictate, as we've seen since the end of the SNES era and with the decline of the Wii and their tech efforts with the Wii U is too little too late and aimed in the wrong direction.

If Sony and MS are stupid enough to chase the casual userbase with their new consoles, they are headed for a small disaster and will quickly hit the wall, this is likely the reason why none of them feel overly stressed by Nintendo launching first, they wanted to see the market response to the Wii U and certainly plan accordingly. I've been saying a couple of things for some time now and I will repeat them; the Wii U will not be anywhere near as successful as the Wii (which is obvious now) and will have a shorter lifespan and; the 8th generation will be shorter than the 7th and see a historical first, a decline in hardware and software totals for the generation, meaning that I have small faith in any massive selling power from MS and Sony as well. The PS2 with its incredible marketshare and monstrous hardware and software sales was a one-off, it will never happen again in home console history, the market has changed dramatically and irreversibly (if this is for the better though, is hard to say).

Claiming that the Wii U will do Gamecube numbers in the end is folly in my opinion but thinking it will do 360 numbers is equally unrealistic, somewhere in the middle is the most likely for now.

hey spurg
if i can put my two cents
I DONT talk about other systems failing
how xbox and playstation do is not my problem
i just want to enjoy my games in peace without hearing about doom and gloom on the internet
I enjoyed being a gamer a lot more before deciding to talk to other people about it

Sad, very sad, but true.

It's the internet, I can talk about what I feel. In 2007 I talked about how great Wii was going to do and how miserable PS3 would do. Now I talk about how great Durango (might) do and how miserably WiiU, Vita (and likely PS4) will do.

I may be a Wii fan, but I've no association to Nintendo. Their failure with WiiU (if it's a failure, we shall see) in no way reflects on me or the validity of my opinions.They certainly have no basis on sales facts.

Sony fans are always so butthurt. Give me a break.

Hasn't it already come close to outselling the Vita?

any failing or doom talk is do to ignorance, or just a conversation starter. oh not to mention annoying, specially when the consoles yet to release.

I can understand Wii U criticism- it's about three months after launch and it is already down to selling 25k a week worlwide. By the end of February it will be below 20k. That's pathetic.

But the 3DS? Pokemon x/y is cOming out....