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SamuelRSmith said:
richardhutnik said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Maybe affirmative action is an acknowledgement of the the failings of the public education system for "minorities".

But we must have state education, because people might not receive an "equal" education!!! Herp, derp.

No one is denying there be private schooling.  Well, nobody legitimately in America's political systems is, although maybe you can hunt down some wacked out counter example.  Those who advocate public education believe that it should be funded sufficiently so that the citizens in a country get sufficiently educated to be able to function in society.  The idea here isn't to end up just rewarding the best of the best, to make sure they get to become elite, but try to lift the boats up for everyone.  Yes, one can say it is a socialistic bent, and I am pretty sure anything in that area deeply offends you, but there is generally normally seen in society of trying to do the minimum at least for the bottom, so that the bottom has even a sliver of a chance of making something out of their lives.

And the argument ends up being whether or not there should be public school at all, not whether or not private schools should be abolished.  But, feel free to herp, derp with your strawman there.


Fine, I changed two words in the statement. Most of your tirade is now void.

You're right that thanks to state education, those at the bottom only have a slither of a chance of making something out of their lives. Personally, I want more than that for those at the bottom, and the state has proved itself to be incapable of doing it. Let someone  else have a chance.

A totally privatized system, with no involvement of tax dollars of any sort, is going to result in a system where you have individuals on top getting all the breaks and those on the bottom getting none.  Yes, it is socialisitic to some degree, but the idea is to try to make sure there is minimum standards.  As it is now, in America, there is NOTHING (outside of the will of people) to come up with alternatives.  People can home school, go to private schools, or public.  Am I one to flat out argue against vouchers, or injecting some free market choices into educational system?  No I am not.  However the free markets alone aren't a fix, and there needs to be some sort of will and mandate of the people to do more.

And, very likely, and this is more of a conservative argument, far more needs to be done with societal values and involvement, to make things work better.  Some of the issues faced by the American school system, no amount of money will fix.  I have seen the public schools where I am, trying to do substitute teaching, and it is a train wreck.  I guess having single parent households doesn't help the matter.

Anyhow, this is getting WAY beyond the original subject.



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badgenome said:
It's wrong because


was it wrong for me to laugh at this



it's wrong because it's wrong. the same way raping children & abusing women is wrong. in the year 2013, such a question has no meaning and requires no further explanation.