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ps3-sales! on 26 January 2013
naruball said:
ps3-sales! said:
 

Again, I'm not saying games have to include multiplayer. On the contrary; I can't stand when developers tack on multiplayer in games that have no business in the online market *cough Tomb Raider/Dead Space 3 cough*. But still, you have to look at the price for such little time gaming. Why does any person spend $60 at launch for Dmc? They obviously don't know how much the game will last. You can wait a couple weeks and get it on Amazon for $20 cheaper usually. All I'm saying is I don't understand why you'd essentially trade $60 for a 12 hour playthrough of Dmc with little replayability, and not sell back the game. It doesn't seem logical to me. 

It does look like a great game though, I'm not knocking the actual game, just games with similar play times and low replayability. As for Guild Wars 2, I can't run it on my horrible Laptop nor am I very successful with large MMO's after Runescape lolol.


Different people, diffrent tastes. Some play 2 hours a day and might need a week or two to beat DMC. That's more than enough gameplay for them. The same people might hate long games and not play ninokuni, because they don't have that much time and it would require months of their gameplay. I, for example, never managed to beat Eternal Sonata, an absolutely superb game, because it was too long for me. Same with persona 4. I'm not playing it any time soon, as i only have a few hours a week to game and it's gonna affect my studying time.

Number of hours simply doesn't matter to some people. It's like a quality vs quantity argument. I still don't see how getting say Ninokuni or Uncharted 1 or 2 on launch day is any better than buying DMC. Now, if you were arguing why buy games at launch instead of waiting a few weeks for massive price cuts, I'd totally agree with you (though there are exceptions. e.g. all your friends buying COD day one, getting a niche title early on before the online community is non existent etc).

YES THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY. Holy Jesus lol. Maybe I should have cleared it up for everyone but that's exactly what I'm trying to say of waiting until the price goes down. Dmc seems like a superb game based on the demo I played, reviews, and videos I've seen but I don't think it's worth $60 for the average gamer; considering they are unlikely to replay through it a bunch of times. They are always exeptions however, as with anything, but for the most part it's a linear story that doesn't offer much in the realm of choices through playing it.

Totally agree with the different tastes part you brought up. Some people preview that solid 12 hour consistant experience compared to a 50 hour large RPG like game with boorfests in the middle of it.



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ps3-sales! on 26 January 2013
Nsanity said:
God Of War, Heavenly Sword and the majority of this gens games can be beaten in mere hours, so what does the OP have to say about that?


THE EXACT THING. Heavenly Sword especially. 

There is no way in hell that I'm paying $60 for a launch version of God of War of Heavenly Sword that realistically will only be played a couple times AT MOST. I'd wait for the price to go down, or better yet I'd rent/borrow from a friend and complete the story. 

Even though I love supporting my Ps3 and Sony as a whole, that's $120 that I just potentially saved, and I have both game experiences fully enjoyed.



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Corey on 26 January 2013

That's why I almost always buy games with short campaigns ones they are must cheaper.
Generally only long games and the best of the best warrant my $80 or so.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 January 2013
Aj_habfan said:
This is generally my attitude towards every new release.

There are so many games being released, and they drop in price so fast, why pay more than $20. But hey, somebody has to support developers, so thank you.


Games drop in price quickly primarily because of Gamestop. Otherwise they wouldn't drop price until the end of the quarter of their launch. It forces first party to compete.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 January 2013
ps3-sales! said:
Nsanity said:
God Of War, Heavenly Sword and the majority of this gens games can be beaten in mere hours, so what does the OP have to say about that?


THE EXACT THING. Heavenly Sword especially. 

There is no way in hell that I'm paying $60 for a launch version of God of War of Heavenly Sword that realistically will only be played a couple times AT MOST. I'd wait for the price to go down, or better yet I'd rent/borrow from a friend and complete the story. 

Even though I love supporting my Ps3 and Sony as a whole, that's $120 that I just potentially saved, and I have both game experiences fully enjoyed.

This is why God of War Ascension is going through its little multiplayer metamorphosis. Sony is taking notice to what consumers consider a value for $60. If a game sells well, first party console manufacturers sell their games at $40-30 with the DLC packed in.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 January 2013
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

edited (hooray for dyslexia !)

 

ps3-sales! has a fair point

 from what i've played DmC simply does not have replay value, a gameplay you will not need to master, virtually no trial and error and doesn't push you to get a better score

 it's another of those easy as hell games you get through painlessly in a couple of days and then leave behind, is that worth your 60 bucks ?


So for the completionist the games keys don't need to be recovered and the doors don't need to be unlocked  for the twenty one secret missions , correct? The DLC is coming up for Vergil and Bloody Palace Missions are of no consequence to you? To be a completionist at DmC, you will have to surrender at least twenty-two hours to the game. Two playthroughs should do the trick to master the game (eighteen to twenty-two hours based on your level of play + extras). To say the game has no trial and error is the most erroneous thing I've ever heard on the game. All hack n slash games force you to change your method at least once to fit a specific enemy or location, especially when the difficulty bar is raised.



Safiir on 26 January 2013
ps3-sales! said:

 but I don't think it's worth $60 for the average gamer;


It's their call. Not yours. If a person is happy spending 60 (or more) bucks for a game it's his choice and there's nothing wrong with it.



ChadOkada on 26 January 2013
ps3-sales! said:
naruball said:
I'm sorry, man, but seriously, what kind of question is that? Why did anyone buy God of War 3 or Darksiders or Heavenly Sword or Dante's Inferno? If we've reached the point where multiplayer is a must for a day one purchase/full price game, then count me out.

Most of us grew up playing single player games which were significantly shorter than DMC. I played Castlevania on nes a year ago and managed to beat it in like 2 hours. Were we getting ripped off all along?


I was using Dmc as an example but the game question goes for any of those short, single player only games. And you're leaving out a major thing here. Where any of those games you grew up on $60???? Didn't think so. Not everyone is made of money to buy launch games for $60 that only give you a limited amount of playing time. The game doesn't have to have include multiplayer. But when you have the option of buying Dmc or Ni no Kuni for $60, one offering 12 hours vs 45+ hours of entertainment, I'm going with Ni No kuni. Same thing goes with most games vs Cod/Skyrim. 

But again, Nes games were not $60 when they launched. I doubt they were more than $40.

This will suprise you. 

July 27 1992 purchased Street Fighter 2 for the Super Nintendo. Price $64.97, tax $4.87, total price $69.84.  Store purchased from Kmart.

October 1989 purchased Ghouls N Ghosts for the Sega Genesis. Price $57.95, tax $4.65 shipping .20 cents total price $62.80. Purchased Sears.

April 25 1990 purchased Phantasy Star II for the Sega Genesis. Price 79.99, tax 5.99, total price $85.98. Store purchased from Toys"R"Us.

Most of my Genesis and Super Nintendo games were over $60 with tax. The Nintendo 64 was even worse. Super Mario 64 was $69.95 before tax and so was Pilot Wings. Many stores had them above retail at $79.99.

After living through these high prices I no longer buy any games at launch. I always wanted a Neo Geo but those games were over $250 each.



bertlsenix on 26 January 2013
ps3-sales! said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

I don't want to step onto JayWood's territory but are we already talking about a flop ?

In japan, during the same time period as DMC 4, DmC sold half as much* (on the PS3 alone, far worse on the 360)
In the UK, during the same time period as DMC 4, DmC sold just one third what DMC 4 did.

Note the absence of any other major title launching at the same time.

*While DMC 4 and DmC pre sales were the same, meaning Capcom failed to attract their goal, the casuals.

To this day:

DMC HD Collection: 0.74 m


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/25/dmc-devil-may-cry-may-have-failed-to-attract-casual-fans-in-japan/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-21-uk-chart-dmc-devil-may-cry-horns-its-way-to-top-spot
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=devil+may+cry+hd

To be a bit fair, Dmc is clearly more western influenced than DMC 4. With that said I don't think it'll sell well.


No DMC4 had the hype behind it to be the first HD Game of a great PS2 Franchise.
Final Fantasy 13 sold well too - Why?Cause people thought it will be the usual great Final Fantasy with a big open world and all that stuf...just in HD.
We all know how this turned out and FF13-2 reflect real sales for this bad "FF13 Series"...Only Versus13 would get and deserve great sales.

I didn't like DMC4 and in terms of gameplay DmC is superior to DMC but behind DMC1+3.
But i played DMC4 for more than 1000 hours on both consoles and later on PC for the Legendary Dark Knigh mode and better graphics.
Why?On consoles i like the leaderboard system - While i played it i was Nr1 EU on Xbox and not so high on the PS3 ones(better and far more players)
DmC is a good game and people who really care how Dante looks are kinda empty in the other parts of their life.I don't care how he looks as long as he doesn't look like a bald spacemarine.He could look like Hello Kitty.The only thing i don't like are the 30FPS but when the game is on a Steam Sale i will get it a 2nd time on PC for cheap.
Ninja Theory did a damn good job in terms of gameplay and stuff.Its far better than expected.
If i wouldn't play Path of Exile i would try to get better on the Leaderboards on DmC right now.But Path of Exile is more important cause we waited for the real Diablo 3 far too long.Thanks Blizzard for screwing up so bad and destroying everything for the CoD Casuals and money btw!
Well to be honest - Path of Exile is probably better than anyone could have imagined and wished for when they heard about D3 the first time as long as they played D2.

@TC
I don't see the reason why anyone is paying 60$ or more for the yearly Copy+paste CoD.
Its the exact same game every year with a lame MP where no one needs skill and the campaign is always the same boring 2 hour long crap.
Why is anyone supporting that?Cause they can play completely brain afk a random shooter for more than 100 hours long?Are people so bored?

I rather support a great reboot or a new entry in an old franchise.BTW every Devil May Cry after DMC1 is something like a reboot cause the team of DMC1 never worked on the other ones.Crying is just for the sake of crying cause people aren't informed about anything and just follow like sheep.
And i will love to buy my 6-10 hours long God of War Ascension cause i know i will get 100% Action with a Story im interested in.
I loved to pay 60$ for Heavy Rain cause it was more or less a complete new gameplay and is still unique in this console Gen.

In general i love to support great games and i don't matter if they are only 6-10 hours long.
I have money - I imported NiNoKuni when it was new in Japan for a lot of money and now i have the PAL Version preordered just to have it.I won't play it at all.I just want to support them for the best J-RPG in this Gen on the best console in this Gen cause i want them to make more games in the Next Gen.

Oh and of course > Euro is stronger than $ and i usually don't buy games here in my country.I import.Its pretty rare that i pay more than 40€ for a game.
And sometimes new games cost directly 45€ in smaller shops here while they cost 70€ or more at our gamestop.
Thanks to the internet people get informed about that and no one buys at gameflop till they drop the price what is pretty fast cause they HAVE to lower the price on the same day mostly.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 January 2013
bertlsenix said:
ps3-sales! said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

I don't want to step onto JayWood's territory but are we already talking about a flop ?

In japan, during the same time period as DMC 4, DmC sold half as much* (on the PS3 alone, far worse on the 360)
In the UK, during the same time period as DMC 4, DmC sold just one third what DMC 4 did.

Note the absence of any other major title launching at the same time.

*While DMC 4 and DmC pre sales were the same, meaning Capcom failed to attract their goal, the casuals.

To this day:

DMC HD Collection: 0.74 m


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/25/dmc-devil-may-cry-may-have-failed-to-attract-casual-fans-in-japan/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-21-uk-chart-dmc-devil-may-cry-horns-its-way-to-top-spot
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=devil+may+cry+hd

To be a bit fair, Dmc is clearly more western influenced than DMC 4. With that said I don't think it'll sell well.


No DMC4 had the hype behind it to be the first HD Game of a great PS2 Franchise.
Final Fantasy 13 sold well too - Why?Cause people thought it will be the usual great Final Fantasy with a big open world and all that stuf...just in HD.
We all know how this turned out and FF13-2 reflect real sales for this bad "FF13 Series"...Only Versus13 would get and deserve great sales.

I didn't like DMC4 and in terms of gameplay DmC is superior to DMC but behind DMC1+3.
But i played DMC4 for more than 1000 hours on both consoles and later on PC for the Legendary Dark Knigh mode and better graphics.
Why?On consoles i like the leaderboard system - While i played it i was Nr1 EU on Xbox and not so high on the PS3 ones(better and far more players)
DmC is a good game and people who really care how Dante looks are kinda empty in the other parts of their life.I don't care how he looks as long as he doesn't look like a bald spacemarine.He could look like Hello Kitty.The only thing i don't like are the 30FPS but when the game is on a Steam Sale i will get it a 2nd time on PC for cheap.
Ninja Theory did a damn good job in terms of gameplay and stuff.Its far better than expected.
If i wouldn't play Path of Exile i would try to get better on the Leaderboards on DmC right now.But Path of Exile is more important cause we waited for the real Diablo 3 far too long.Thanks Blizzard for screwing up so bad and destroying everything for the CoD Casuals and money btw!
Well to be honest - Path of Exile is probably better than anyone could have imagined and wished for when they heard about D3 the first time as long as they played D2.

@TC
I don't see the reason why anyone is paying 60$ or more for the yearly Copy+paste CoD.
Its the exact same game every year with a lame MP where no one needs skill and the campaign is always the same boring 2 hour long crap.
Why is anyone supporting that?Cause they can play completely brain afk a random shooter for more than 100 hours long?Are people so bored?

I rather support a great reboot or a new entry in an old franchise.BTW every Devil May Cry after DMC1 is something like a reboot cause the team of DMC1 never worked on the other ones.Crying is just for the sake of crying cause people aren't informed about anything and just follow like sheep.
And i will love to buy my 6-10 hours long God of War Ascension cause i know i will get 100% Action with a Story im interested in.
I loved to pay 60$ for Heavy Rain cause it was more or less a complete new gameplay and is still unique in this console Gen.

In general i love to support great games and i don't matter if they are only 6-10 hours long.
I have money - I imported NiNoKuni when it was new in Japan for a lot of money and now i have the PAL Version preordered just to have it.I won't play it at all.I just want to support them for the best J-RPG in this Gen on the best console in this Gen cause i want them to make more games in the Next Gen.

Oh and of course > Euro is stronger than $ and i usually don't buy games here in my country.I import.Its pretty rare that i pay more than 40€ for a game.
And sometimes new games cost directly 45€ in smaller shops here while they cost 70€ or more at our gamestop.
Thanks to the internet people get informed about that and no one buys at gameflop till they drop the price what is pretty fast cause they HAVE to lower the price on the same day mostly.

Finally, a long and educated response. BTW, I already preordered GOW Ascension and I will be supporting all hack n slash titles this year first day. I've heard that ascension will be longer than GOW 3 as well and the beta multiplayer is actually more fun than I thought (that should've been the PASBR gameplay).  I wasn't majorly impressed with the Revengeace demo, but I love my hack n slash. It's basically the last remnant of the beat em up genre that seems to be a dying breed from the 90's to the early 2000's on the PS2.