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said:

Hi guys,

(pardon my english)

I think Nintendo gets way too much negativity the last few years, especially on the internet. I decided to discuss one of the thing a lot people consider a problem from Nintendo's side while it's not.

The difference between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft is that Nintendo has many more years in the game industry (30 years) while Sony (18 years) and Microsoft (11 years) significantly less. Therefore Nintendo produced way more games and franchises and because of this it looks to be milked. But to get to the point, we must look at the games Sony and Microsoft released on their lastest generation home consoles.

Games released on N64:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 0
  5. Metroid - 0
  6. Wario - 0
  7. Animal Crossing - 1 (Japan only)
  8. Super Smash Bros - 1

 

Games released on the Gamecube:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 1
  5. Metroid - 2
  6. Wario - 1
  7. Animal Crossing - 1
  8. Super Smash Bros. - 1
Games released on the Wii:
  1. Super Mario - 2
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. New Super Mario Bros. - 1
  4. Zelda- 1
  5. Fire Emblem - 1
  6. Metroid - 2
  7. Wario - 1
  8. Animal Crossing - 1
  9. Super Smash Bros - 1
I think you already know where I'm heading. The following numbers are very contradicting to the idea Nintendo milking their games.
Games released on the Playstation 3:
  1. Uncharted - 3
  2. Resistance - 3
  3. Killzone - 2
  4. God of War - 2
  5. LittleBigPlanet - 2
  6. Motorstorm - 3
Microsoft is even worse with 360:
  1. Gears of War - 4 (with Judgement upcoming)
  2. Halo - 4
  3. Forza - 4
  4. Project Gotham Racing - 3
  5. Fable - 3
  6. Dance Central - 3

 


Do you wanna know how many Mario games came out in the last 5 year? I think as much as all those Sony games you listed combined.



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The problem is Nintendo has this collection of series that everyone wants a new entry in every generation. If Nintendo did not make a Mario game every one would keep asking "where is the Mario game?"

Besides, if you were a business and had guaranteed way to make money...wouldn't you do it?



Thread starter

I agree with you guys those games for PS3 and Xbox being newer games. But there's a reason they are being made so much this generation, because they're a succes. So eventually Sony and Microsoft will do the same (are doing the same) with their franchises because some of them are more succesful than Nintendo games. We can all expect at least a UC or Halo in the launch window for their new console.

I should edit (which I can't) my thread to 'Why do people keep saying ONLY Nintendo milks their games'. Sony and Microsoft are newer and doing the same. We can't only blame Nintendo.



Turkish said:


Do you wanna know how many Mario games came out in the last 5 year? I think as much as all those Sony games you listed combined.

And you know how many of them come from the same genre?

2D platformers - 4 (across 4 different consoles)
3D platformers - 3 (2 for the Wii and 1 for the 3DS)
Party games - 3 (1 for the DS and 2 for the Wii)
RPG - 3 (1 for Wii, 1 for DS and 1 for 3DS)
Racing -  3 (1 for DS, 1 for Wii and 1 for 3DS)

Yes, Nintendo milks the Mario character, but not in the same genre



Nintendo and PC gamer

it is mainly mario they don't really milk any of their other IP'S in fact quite the opposite it has been years since we have seen star fox f zero and earthbound/mother



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It mostly stems from Nintendo relying on Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and other classics to sell their consoles every time. In terms of new IP's and in-house support and effort, Nintendo falls far behind MS and Sony for the past three generations, the number of games that feature Mario is right around 200, which is staggering.

An good example of changing it up a little bit would be developers like Naughty Dog; they made Crash Bandicoot for the PS1, Jak & Daxter for the PS2 and Uncharted for the PS3, this kind of effort and variation from developers on Nintendo platforms is unheard of.

The real question for me is; do I mind Nintendo's focus on Mario and Zelda and other old greats? No, not one bit.



Mummelmann said:
It mostly stems from Nintendo relying on Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and other classics to sell their consoles every time. In terms of new IP's and in-house support and effort, Nintendo falls far behind MS and Sony for the past three generations, the number of games that feature Mario is right around 200, which is staggering.

An good example of changing it up a little bit would be developers like Naughty Dog; they made Crash Bandicoot for the PS1, Jak & Daxter for the PS2 and Uncharted for the PS3, this kind of effort and variation from developers on Nintendo platforms is unheard of.

The real question for me is; do I mind Nintendo's focus on Mario and Zelda and other old greats? No, not one bit.


Check 3DS eshop for some great new Nintendo IPs. 

Pushmo/Crashmo, Dillon's Rolling Western, Sakura Samurai, Ketzal's Corridors, FreakyForms, etc..



osed125 said:

The problem is Mario as a character (and some of the rest of the Mushroom Kingdom). Because he appears on so many games (Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Kart, etc) it gives the thought that he's being used a lot even though the games are completely different genres.

Nintendo milks the Mario character, they don't milk anything else.

this

 

Nintendo knows all they need is one game with mario in it to sell their console. 



said:

Hi guys,

(pardon my english)

I think Nintendo gets way too much negativity the last few years, especially on the internet. I decided to discuss one of the thing a lot people consider a problem from Nintendo's side while it's not.

The difference between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft is that Nintendo has many more years in the game industry (30 years) while Sony (18 years) and Microsoft (11 years) significantly less. Therefore Nintendo produced way more games and franchises and because of this it looks to be milked. But to get to the point, we must look at the games Sony and Microsoft released on their lastest generation home consoles.

Games released on N64:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 0
  5. Metroid - 0
  6. Wario - 0
  7. Animal Crossing - 1 (Japan only)
  8. Super Smash Bros - 1

 

Games released on the Gamecube:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 1
  5. Metroid - 2
  6. Wario - 1
  7. Animal Crossing - 1
  8. Super Smash Bros. - 1
Games released on the Wii:
  1. Super Mario - 2
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. New Super Mario Bros. - 1
  4. Zelda- 1
  5. Fire Emblem - 1
  6. Metroid - 2
  7. Wario - 1
  8. Animal Crossing - 1
  9. Super Smash Bros - 1
I think you already know where I'm heading. The following numbers are very contradicting to the idea Nintendo milking their games.
Games released on the Playstation 3:
  1. Uncharted - 3
  2. Resistance - 3
  3. Killzone - 2
  4. God of War - 2
  5. LittleBigPlanet - 2
  6. Motorstorm - 3
Microsoft is even worse with 360:
  1. Gears of War - 4 (with Judgement upcoming)
  2. Halo - 4
  3. Forza - 4
  4. Project Gotham Racing - 3
  5. Fable - 3
  6. Dance Central - 3

 

Yeah but at least Sony normally has a lot of new franchises each gen.  LoU, Uncharted, LBP, Infamous, Motostorm, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Beyond, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk are all new franchises this gen.  Nintendo has to make a killing on their software.  They make 1 or 2 games for a franchise during a gen and then keep them at pretty high prices for the whole gen.  They launched with NSMBU and now it will sell the whole gen because it will have no 2d successor on WiiU (most likely).  Especially those 2d games since the dev cost is probably pretty low on them.




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Jay520 said:
I have no problem with Nintendo continuing their franchises through several generations. In fact, I'm glad they do. The problem is the fact that their traditional games take up a large portion of their overall output. Continuing older IPs is fine, but it should be balanced with a certain amount of new IPs. Unfortunately for many people, Nintendo aren't balancing their old IPs with enough new IPs.


I'm a Nintendo fan boy, and I agree with this.  Nintendo doesn't have enough new, BIG, IPs.  Some E-Shop games aren't going to cut it.

The other thing is Mario fatigue, although that's a bit unfair.  Mario Kart, 2D Mario, Mario Tennis, Paper Mario..... all of these are in completly different games in different genres..... honestly, I think part of Nintendo's lack of New IPs is the fact that they always try to slap a recognizable IP on something to help it sell (which isn't a bad idea.)  Mario Kart, Star Fox Adventure, and Kirby's Epic Yarn were all going to be brand new IPs at one point.