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sorry dude,but you are argueing in a very strange way.
Make such a list including:
Game boy advance
DS
and 3ds
you may realize
many more mario games will appear.

than just take a look at the nintendo charts.
half of them mario games,most of them released not long ago.
three mario 2d games for wii/u/3ds(almost always the same)
two mario 3d games(wii/3ds, soon to come Wii u)
mario tennis,mario this,mario that,mario smash brothers
too much mario
but no more f zeros and wave racers.



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KHlover said:
pokoko said:

I understand your point, but ... Mario. They brand so many things as Mario. I'm surprised Pikman wasn't a game where you control a bunch of miniature Mario pawns. I'd bet anything it was considered. And how Animal Crossing escaped Mario branding I'm not sure. Mario Crossing sounds so very Nintendo. Honestly, that's a read turn-off for me, especially since the Mario characters are so flat and uninspired. It just feels like a complete absence of creativity.

 I guess I shouldn't argue with success, though. I think it's entered Pavlovian territory at this point. People would buy a Mario game about mucking out stables or sorting garbage and they would decide they liked the game even before they played it. I'm sure Sony or Microsoft would love to have a brand they could exploit to that level.

 It just seems kind of blah to me to start with "OK we need to make another Zelda game, any ideas?" or "someone had a good idea for a game, let's make it a Mario title".  You know? I don't necessarily blame Nintendo for milking those cows but it's not a practice that appeals to me, either.

That's funny. You know what Pikmin was based off? :D

 

I have never been less surprised in my life.

I'd also like to throw out here that I'm not really talking about sequels.  Games that continue a story or an adventure set in the same world don't really bother me--at least, until there is a significant drop in quality and you get that "what next?" kind of feel.  I'll be fine with another God of War, Halo, or Mario Galaxy.  Series like Forza or Gran Turismo are also exempt, as long as they keep moving forward.  It's when the characters are torn away from their game worlds and pasted all over everything else for the sole purpose of branding, that's what bugs me.

With Nintendo, you get the feeling that they look at the calendar and say, "we need another Mario game".  I don't really like that.  It's kind of the same with Zelda, where you get the idea that they're constantly sorting through unrelated ideas for something they can transform into a Zelda title.  It seems really cynical to me.



said:

Hi guys,

(pardon my english)

I think Nintendo gets way too much negativity the last few years, especially on the internet. I decided to discuss one of the thing a lot people consider a problem from Nintendo's side while it's not.

The difference between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft is that Nintendo has many more years in the game industry (30 years) while Sony (18 years) and Microsoft (11 years) significantly less. Therefore Nintendo produced way more games and franchises and because of this it looks to be milked. But to get to the point, we must look at the games Sony and Microsoft released on their lastest generation home consoles.

Games released on N64:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 0
  5. Metroid - 0
  6. Wario - 0
  7. Animal Crossing - 1 (Japan only)
  8. Super Smash Bros - 1

 

Games released on the Gamecube:

 

  1. Super Mario - 1
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. Zelda - 2
  4. Fire Emblem - 1
  5. Metroid - 2
  6. Wario - 1
  7. Animal Crossing - 1
  8. Super Smash Bros. - 1
Games released on the Wii:
  1. Super Mario - 2
  2. Mario Kart - 1
  3. New Super Mario Bros. - 1
  4. Zelda- 1
  5. Fire Emblem - 1
  6. Metroid - 2
  7. Wario - 1
  8. Animal Crossing - 1
  9. Super Smash Bros - 1
I think you already know where I'm heading. The following numbers are very contradicting to the idea Nintendo milking their games.
Games released on the Playstation 3:
  1. Uncharted - 3
  2. Resistance - 3
  3. Killzone - 2
  4. God of War - 2
  5. LittleBigPlanet - 2
  6. Motorstorm - 3
Microsoft is even worse with 360:
  1. Gears of War - 4 (with Judgement upcoming)
  2. Halo - 4
  3. Forza - 4
  4. Project Gotham Racing - 3
  5. Fable - 3
  6. Dance Central - 3

 


Do you wanna know how many Mario games came out in the last 5 year? I think as much as all those Sony games you listed combined.



The problem is Nintendo has this collection of series that everyone wants a new entry in every generation. If Nintendo did not make a Mario game every one would keep asking "where is the Mario game?"

Besides, if you were a business and had guaranteed way to make money...wouldn't you do it?



Thread starter

I agree with you guys those games for PS3 and Xbox being newer games. But there's a reason they are being made so much this generation, because they're a succes. So eventually Sony and Microsoft will do the same (are doing the same) with their franchises because some of them are more succesful than Nintendo games. We can all expect at least a UC or Halo in the launch window for their new console.

I should edit (which I can't) my thread to 'Why do people keep saying ONLY Nintendo milks their games'. Sony and Microsoft are newer and doing the same. We can't only blame Nintendo.



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Turkish said:


Do you wanna know how many Mario games came out in the last 5 year? I think as much as all those Sony games you listed combined.

And you know how many of them come from the same genre?

2D platformers - 4 (across 4 different consoles)
3D platformers - 3 (2 for the Wii and 1 for the 3DS)
Party games - 3 (1 for the DS and 2 for the Wii)
RPG - 3 (1 for Wii, 1 for DS and 1 for 3DS)
Racing -  3 (1 for DS, 1 for Wii and 1 for 3DS)

Yes, Nintendo milks the Mario character, but not in the same genre



Nintendo and PC gamer

it is mainly mario they don't really milk any of their other IP'S in fact quite the opposite it has been years since we have seen star fox f zero and earthbound/mother



It mostly stems from Nintendo relying on Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and other classics to sell their consoles every time. In terms of new IP's and in-house support and effort, Nintendo falls far behind MS and Sony for the past three generations, the number of games that feature Mario is right around 200, which is staggering.

An good example of changing it up a little bit would be developers like Naughty Dog; they made Crash Bandicoot for the PS1, Jak & Daxter for the PS2 and Uncharted for the PS3, this kind of effort and variation from developers on Nintendo platforms is unheard of.

The real question for me is; do I mind Nintendo's focus on Mario and Zelda and other old greats? No, not one bit.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

Mummelmann said:
It mostly stems from Nintendo relying on Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and other classics to sell their consoles every time. In terms of new IP's and in-house support and effort, Nintendo falls far behind MS and Sony for the past three generations, the number of games that feature Mario is right around 200, which is staggering.

An good example of changing it up a little bit would be developers like Naughty Dog; they made Crash Bandicoot for the PS1, Jak & Daxter for the PS2 and Uncharted for the PS3, this kind of effort and variation from developers on Nintendo platforms is unheard of.

The real question for me is; do I mind Nintendo's focus on Mario and Zelda and other old greats? No, not one bit.


Check 3DS eshop for some great new Nintendo IPs. 

Pushmo/Crashmo, Dillon's Rolling Western, Sakura Samurai, Ketzal's Corridors, FreakyForms, etc..



osed125 said:

The problem is Mario as a character (and some of the rest of the Mushroom Kingdom). Because he appears on so many games (Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Kart, etc) it gives the thought that he's being used a lot even though the games are completely different genres.

Nintendo milks the Mario character, they don't milk anything else.

this

 

Nintendo knows all they need is one game with mario in it to sell their console.