I was just trying to prove my point mister. Don't call me dork you motherless biatch.

-this post was moderated by amp316

Simple: Money.

Microsoft has a lot more of it than Sony does. That gives them a lot more leeway with engineering and developing the next console. Additionally, it allows them to take risks and gambles that Sony may not be able to. That isn't to say Sony will do poorly, or the PS4 will do poorly, but the brand names of both systems are about even now, worldwide. Sony lost a huge amount of marketshare, and Microsoft seemingly ate all of it up.

Do note that under the worst case scenario I laid out, the PS4 would only have a 5 million unit gap between it and the Nextbox, which isn't a very large margin.

As to why other reasons why the Nextbox will do well: Online & subscription based services. The undercurrent of this generation has been online and online features. Microsoft has executed so much better than Sony did, and both were lightyears ahead of Nintendo (which is essentially at competency level of Sony/MS of 3-4 years ago).

I think that Microsoft will lay a lot of cards on the table in regards to infrastructure and offerings that will outshine the PS4. One major area that I believe this will happen is the subscription-based model. The X360 was $99 with the 2-yr agreement, and as far as we can tell, it worked very well for them. Think about what happens if Microsoft does the same thing with the next Xbox from day-1, with (lets say) a $199 or $249 next-generation device.. That will provide them a huge, decided advantage.

As for the WiiU - I just don't see it getting any major support this generation. I think that in 2 years, the WiiU will be seen as the also-ran, with few developers publishing titles to the platform, because just like the Wii, the hardware is vastly underpowered when compared to the Nextbox/PS4 (which will probably see 90% of the 3rd party development this generation). I think that 40 million units is very respectable for how intept Nintendo has been in the past 5 years. Nintendo really should have launched the WiiU with either more power, or earlier when tablets were an emerging concept.

I just think nintendo fans are feeling but hurt because the wii-u is not doing wii numbers.

Funny you say sony and ms won't do better based on your idea of nintendo being king. You do realise that nintendo only out did sony for a few years out of 15+ years.

So that makes your argument fall flat on its face. Don't take out the comp b4 you see what they have to offer

It didn't stop the original xbox from failing

No company is immune to failure.

Watch your tongue. I find it hard to believe you're 21. Consider this conversation done.

Well, You started it. BTW i'm not 21 and why do you care

Can I be the new cool newbie if you two stop arguing? :)

I think this gen coming up, we'll see a resurgence of the PS brand. One, it will most likely launch at the same price as the NeXbox, maybe a $50 difference, so nothing like the $200 difference between the PS3 and 360. Even if the PS4 launches after the NeXbox, it will most likely only be ~6 months later, so nothing like the 1-1 1/2 years head start the 360 got this gen. So, if MS manages to win the US again, it probably won't be by as large a margin as it was this gen. Sony will also have a strong lead in EU and Japan.

As for Nintendo, I see them ending in 3rd. Even though the Wii U is only $30 more than the PS3 in the States, the PS3 is steadily outselling it. Even the Wii, which is selling poorly compared to the other current gen systems, is outselling it. EU already seemed disinterested in the Wii U from the start. And now the Wii U is selling less than 18K in Japan weekly, the one market fans thought would save the Wii U. And given the acceptable $299 price tag for a new system, I doubt a $50 price cut will do much to bolster its sales. Nintendo is most likely going to need drop the price by $80-$100 for it to have a great impact. But, if they do that, then they will probably have to sell ~8-10 1st party games to break even.

I am talking about their online features being comparable to MS/Sony 3-4 years ago.

Having said that, as the generation goes on, I think Nintendo is really going to suffer because of their lack of online implementation. Where is the DLC? The freemium-model gaming? Demos? Or even the hard drive space to handle it? What about indie gaming on the WiiU? How can Nintendo entice developers when MS/Sony have had vastly more success with indies and downloadable titles, whereas Nintendo's only major successes have been their own?

Developers are already relying heavily on DLC for their AAA titles. Certainly, its more western-heavy, but I think that cost margins will squeeze Japanese developers too. When that happens, Nintendo isn't going to be the ones welcoming them with the proper implementation and user base for such systems. Microsoft and Sony will, however, and that will be disasterous for Nintendo. For me, it really spoke volumes that Nintendo went with a sub-par SD/USB solution, which really isn't going to be great for huge libraries of games that require bandwidth (and this assumes that WiiU users even purchase additional hard drives, which is a major problem in and of itself).

Mom: "you will get a Wii." <--- fixed. :)