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Do you think Homosexuality can be cured?

WHAT?? You can't cure it. 61 31.77%
 
You Can't, Homosexuality is a Choice 9 4.69%
 
No, it's just a matter o... 39 20.31%
 
Yes, Through Psychological/Social Therapy 19 9.90%
 
Yes, Through Drugs, It's... 8 4.17%
 
Yes, though Genetic Modifications 9 4.69%
 
Yes, though Drugs & T... 6 3.13%
 
I'm not sure 8 4.17%
 
See Results 33 17.19%
 
Total:192
Michael-5 said:
fordy said:
NintendoPie said:
Homosexuality could be cured, I think. If it's something in your genes, we can change that. (Based off of recent research.) If it's your choice, we can change that. If it's something that's been put onto you, we can change that.

Does that mean I want to change it? No. I think it's perfectly fine.


The question is (should a cure ever happen), would this be pushed to governments as a mandatory procedure by places such as the church?

What? Why do you think this would push a mandatory procedure? If you're schizophrenic, a serious psychological disorder, you're legally allowed to refuse treatment. Only when you become Dangerous are you committed (sent to a hospital so that medication can be forced upon you).

Why would homosexuality, a significantly less dangerous condition, be any different?


This was my first step in the argument. Read my follow-up on parents legally administering it to kids based on what they want their kids to be.



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wfz said:
What does "normal" mean? It's not normal in the sense that we are "supposed" to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to procreate and keep our species alive. In that case it's kind of the opposite of normal. Then again, maybe it is normal because it acts as some sort of minor population control mechanism since not everyone has the desire to procreate? :P

Anyways, it could be changed. Anything about us humans can be changed.

Is Altzeimers normal? Is Depression Normal? Is Schizophrenea Normal?

They occur randomly in a small percentage of the population, but is it normal? If it were normal, why would we search for treatments to these normal occurances?

Do you agree that the above 3 are disorders? Do you agree that they affect a persons freedom and ability to make decisions?

Is Homosexuality any different?

 

 

Altziermers makes you incapable of memory, and forces you to live a certain way. Deperession forces you to always be gloomy, and not able to enjoy yourself as much as your mind would like it to. Schizophrenea alters your sense of what's real, which makes you make decisions which are bizarre. Does homosexuality not prevent you from heterosexual relationships? For those wishing to live Heterosexual lives, does it not restrict their freedoms?



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if we could change it we could probably also make a straight person gay, maybe it will be possible anytime, who knows... and no, i don't see the reason why anyone would want to change other peoples sexual orientation as long as the "rules" are the same when it comes to the age of gay and straight people allowed to have sex with each other or whatever else the rules are for straight people.

if someone who is gay would want to be straight it would be ok to change that for this person but not to do that to people who want to be gay.



why fix something not broken???????



 

Michael-5 said:
wfz said:
What does "normal" mean? It's not normal in the sense that we are "supposed" to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to procreate and keep our species alive. In that case it's kind of the opposite of normal. Then again, maybe it is normal because it acts as some sort of minor population control mechanism since not everyone has the desire to procreate? :P

Anyways, it could be changed. Anything about us humans can be changed.

Is Altzeimers normal? Is Depression Normal? Is Schizophrenea Normal?

They occur randomly in a small percentage of the population, but is it normal? If it were normal, why would we search for treatments to these normal occurances?

Do you agree that the above 3 are disorders? Do you agree that they affect a persons freedom and ability to make decisions?

Is Homosexuality any different?

 

 

Altziermers makes you incapable of memory, and forces you to live a certain way. Deperession forces you to always be gloomy, and not able to enjoy yourself as much as your mind would like it to. Schizophrenea alters your sense of what's real, which makes you make decisions which are bizarre. Does homosexuality not prevent you from heterosexual relationships? For those wishing to live Heterosexual lives, does it not restrict their freedoms?

Nope. I think such conditions give a different view on things. Same with conditions such as Introversion and Aspergers. Introversion is experienced by fewer of the population, but accounts for a greater share of the brilliant minds of the time.



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fordy said:
Zappykins said:
It's an orientation - just like left handedness. You can't 'cure' an orientation cause it is not a disease or disorder.

You can stop someone from having sex, but they are still a homosexual.

Some Religions have weird obsessions about people - they used to beat left handed people so they would use the right hand, or keep women from voting and working. Currently some are attacking homosexual people and their families. I think it's mostly people struggling to accept their own orientation.

They only person that really cares about someone else orientation, is the person that wants to sleep with them. Or the person that wants to keep them from sleeping with someone else. It says more about you. When people aren't hurting others, let people live their lives.

PS I have personally known people that have going to 'cure homosexual therapy' and it really messes people up. It is wrong, immoral and really sad.

I agree in a sense. My dad was left-handed, and in school the teachers used to whack kids on the hands who used their left hand with a cane, so he was forced to use the right hand. He can use either now, but the ordeal left him with nervous ticks and twitches for the rest of his life.

I'm left handed too. I'm just glad I wasn't born in a similar time of such intolerance...

From what I've read on left-handed ness, it's a biologically determined orientation. You are born left handed because of some biological factor before birth, and you remain left handed as a result.

However this raises a great question. Left Handed-ness is a biologically sources condition (not really a disorder). Say homosexuality was a similar condition (which I believe it is), why bother fixing it?

My opinion is that it should be an option for those who want to fix it, but if people wnat to remain left handed or homosexual, it's their choice to do so.

 

Marks said:
No to the first question, yes to the second question.

So you don't think homosexuality is some kind of disorder, but you want to "cure" it?

 

Boutros said:
Michael-5 said:
Boutros said:

Didn't know you were gay. It changes everything.

If I were homosexual, would my voice on this matter be any different?

Obviously. Why would anyone want to change homosexuality if they're not homosexuals themselves??

I'm not homosexual, and I don't want to force anyone to become heterosexual, but I would like the option to exist. I know a few homosexuals, and a couple of them want to live heterosexual lives, but they are pretty weird/stressed because of it.

The reason I made this thread is because I do view homosexuality as a biological disorder (and I;m surprised to see so many people think it's not a bio/psych disorder), and because I'm curious if the gay accepting community of VGC want to cure the condition.



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Michael-5 said:
wfz said:
What does "normal" mean? It's not normal in the sense that we are "supposed" to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to procreate and keep our species alive. In that case it's kind of the opposite of normal. Then again, maybe it is normal because it acts as some sort of minor population control mechanism since not everyone has the desire to procreate? :P

Anyways, it could be changed. Anything about us humans can be changed.

Is Altzeimers normal? Is Depression Normal? Is Schizophrenea Normal?

They occur randomly in a small percentage of the population, but is it normal? If it were normal, why would we search for treatments to these normal occurances?

Do you agree that the above 3 are disorders? Do you agree that they affect a persons freedom and ability to make decisions?

Is Homosexuality any different?

 

 

Altziermers makes you incapable of memory, and forces you to live a certain way. Deperession forces you to always be gloomy, and not able to enjoy yourself as much as your mind would like it to. Schizophrenea alters your sense of what's real, which makes you make decisions which are bizarre. Does homosexuality not prevent you from heterosexual relationships? For those wishing to live Heterosexual lives, does it not restrict their freedoms?

It's a bit different. Certain issues (such as the ones you mentioned) directly affect your ability as a person and your capabilities. Being born a redhead (which is rare), however, doesn't.

Homosexuality falls somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really stop you from doing what you want (assuming you don't want a hetero relationship, which would be weird since you're gay) but it does inhibit your capabilities for procreation (in that you are wired to not want to have sex with the opposite gender).



nvm, Meant to quote someone



How can you cure something that isn't ill?



fordy said:
Michael-5 said:
wfz said:
What does "normal" mean? It's not normal in the sense that we are "supposed" to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to procreate and keep our species alive. In that case it's kind of the opposite of normal. Then again, maybe it is normal because it acts as some sort of minor population control mechanism since not everyone has the desire to procreate? :P

Anyways, it could be changed. Anything about us humans can be changed.

Is Altzeimers normal? Is Depression Normal? Is Schizophrenea Normal?

They occur randomly in a small percentage of the population, but is it normal? If it were normal, why would we search for treatments to these normal occurances?

Do you agree that the above 3 are disorders? Do you agree that they affect a persons freedom and ability to make decisions?

Is Homosexuality any different?

 

 

Altziermers makes you incapable of memory, and forces you to live a certain way. Deperession forces you to always be gloomy, and not able to enjoy yourself as much as your mind would like it to. Schizophrenea alters your sense of what's real, which makes you make decisions which are bizarre. Does homosexuality not prevent you from heterosexual relationships? For those wishing to live Heterosexual lives, does it not restrict their freedoms?

Nope. I think such conditions give a different view on things. Same with conditions such as Introversion and Aspergers. Introversion is experienced by fewer of the population, but accounts for a greater share of the brilliant minds of the time.

LOL okay, that's a good way to look at homosexuality in a positive manner. To a degree, I agree, I like shopping with homosexuals, they tell me what I look good and bad in, where girls tend not to tell you what you look bad in.



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