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dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

Why must I work to guess on a guess you make? Sorry if you want things now, Now, NOW! but I rather wait until we know whats actually going on, not vague estimations. Which is why I can safely with confidence predict Wiiu lifetime sales based on history, as we know all there is to know about it.

Secondly I seriosuly doubt the prices will be exact, not to mention the release dates. Its just weird and laughable that you expect me to go on a wild goose chase over a scenerio that isn't real (or at least confirmed).

Sorry buddy, my rationale is sound, it just requires sound evidence to draw upon. Sorry I can't fast forward time so I can find out the release dates and prices of the xbox and PS4. I dont know what to tell you.

It isn't a guess, rumored prices are between 350-450, I made the middle the price point. I doubt that will be off by more than $50 which, quite frankly, isn't much. Release window is, again, speculated to be between November and March, with more recent rumors stating both November/December this year. 

Based upon those rumors from an abundance of sources, tell me lifetime sales. Otherwise, stop professing that history repeats itself, trends repeat themselves, and whatever else you've said. If you have no emipirical data, you have no case. 

But your guessing. I personally make educated assumptions based on absolutes.

Its stupid to say I have no case when we dont know the REAL specs and dates and prices of the xbox and PS4. Sorry but history does repeat itself in that its factors repeat themselves. WiiU eill either go the Gamecube route or the 3ds route depending on what Nintendo deems necessary in the coming months. As for Xbox and PS4.......just gotta wait for the facts.



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sales2099 said:

But your guessing. I personally make educated assumptions based on absolutes.

Its stupid to say I have no case when we dont know the REAL specs and dates and prices of the xbox and PS4. Sorry but history does repeat itself in that its factors repeat themselves. WiiU eill either go the Gamecube route or the 3ds route depending on what Nintendo deems necessary in the coming months. As for Xbox and PS4.......just gotta wait for the facts.

These are two completely different results, you said you could accurately predict based upon trends. Well? Can you, or can't you? Obviously you cannot. We're done here, you're absolutely confused about what is a prediction and what is an analysis. 



dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

But your guessing. I personally make educated assumptions based on absolutes.

Its stupid to say I have no case when we dont know the REAL specs and dates and prices of the xbox and PS4. Sorry but history does repeat itself in that its factors repeat themselves. WiiU eill either go the Gamecube route or the 3ds route depending on what Nintendo deems necessary in the coming months. As for Xbox and PS4.......just gotta wait for the facts.

These are two completely different results, you said you could accurately predict based upon trends. Well? Can you, or can't you? Obviously you cannot. We're done here, you're absolutely confused about what is a prediction and what is an analysis. 

Well as of right now, its going the Gamecube route. But the future is never set in stone as business decisions can change outlooks. So you alter your predictions as the company does. So until then, I predict a 30 -35 million lifetime sales for WiiU based on current trends. But that could change, based on the history that is the 3DS initial year on the market.

Dont understand why your being so overly hostile. In general all history in all contexts, no matter the subject, are beneficial in deciding how the present can shape out long term.



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dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:

Minecraft had been huge on PC for YEARS prior to releasing a version on the Xbox 360. Comparing it to Journey is completely inane. Then again, you aren't one to know what a rational argument looks like.

If anything, the fact that its been available elsewhere for a year would suggest lower sales on 360, as is true with all "sloppy second ports". Also Journey has had much critical acclaim and awards, so your counter is moot.

Swing and a miss, Sales. As per usual.

Case in point: Mass Effect 2 on PS3 years later - 1.22m

Not to mention PC Minecraft sales double X360 sales. 

I cant miss because Im 2nd place. Your 3rd. So I win anyways.

ME 2 360 sales.......2.95 million.

In the end, doesnt change 360 gamers digital buying habits, and for all the awards and acclaim Journey gets, it can't even crack 1 million. If that cant break a milestone, then I dont know if any PSN game can ever do that. XBLA has had million sellers for over 5 years.

You're* as in "you are" a contraction. You're welcome.

Sales of video game consoles don't determine logic. Your logic is bunk. Thank you for replying by going off on a tangential post that did not address the fact that you comparison was completely ridiculous.

I never said anything about downloadable game sales for either system. You did. I never argued that. I merely said that Journey, a PS3 exclusive game, cannot be compared to Minecraft on XBL as it was already a success before being "ported" (Different team entirely - not Mojang).

I would get marked down for using any contractions on college papers lol. Anyway even if you take minecraft from the situation  Trials Evolution is over 2 million sold so your argument would still be moot



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Ji99saw said:

I would get marked down for using any contractions on college papers lol. Anyway even if you take minecraft from the situation  Trials Evolution is over 2 million sold so your argument would still be moot

Which argument might that be?



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dsgrue3 said:
Ji99saw said:

I would get marked down for using any contractions on college papers lol. Anyway even if you take minecraft from the situation  Trials Evolution is over 2 million sold so your argument would still be moot

Which argument might that be?


The argument of PSN game journy not selling as much as XBL game Minecraft because it was on the PC  first and was not an exclusive and ported. If you remove minecraft and replace it with Trials Evolution which is an xbl acade game and exclusive to the platform you get the same results of the xbl game being vastly more popular making your argumet moot



Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve.

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Ji99saw said:
dsgrue3 said:
Ji99saw said:

I would get marked down for using any contractions on college papers lol. Anyway even if you take minecraft from the situation  Trials Evolution is over 2 million sold so your argument would still be moot

Which argument might that be?


The argument of PSN game journy not selling as much as XBL game Minecraft because it was on the PC  first and was not an exclusive and ported. If you remove minecraft and replace it with Trials Evolution which is an xbl acade game and exclusive to the platform you get the same results of the xbl game being vastly more popular making your argumet moot

I never made this argument. Maybe, you know, actually read what I said initially?

I said the comparison between Minecraft and Journey isn't fair. That was it. 



dsgrue3 said:
Ji99saw said:
dsgrue3 said:
Ji99saw said:

I would get marked down for using any contractions on college papers lol. Anyway even if you take minecraft from the situation  Trials Evolution is over 2 million sold so your argument would still be moot

Which argument might that be?


The argument of PSN game journy not selling as much as XBL game Minecraft because it was on the PC  first and was not an exclusive and ported. If you remove minecraft and replace it with Trials Evolution which is an xbl acade game and exclusive to the platform you get the same results of the xbl game being vastly more popular making your argumet moot

I never made this argument. Maybe, you know, actually read what I said initially?

I said the comparison between Minecraft and Journey isn't fair. That was it. 

And I'm saying that removing minecraft from the equation would yield similar results, making your making your argument irrelevant and making everything you said about minecraft not being comparable completely pointless. It's like cutting down a tree to get a better view out of your window only to realize that there is an equal tree in size behind it, but you ruined your chainsaw in the process making the entire effort pointless because the results are the same.



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EdHieron said:

It will be second behind the only other Next Gen console.


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Ji99saw said:

And I'm saying that removing minecraft from the equation would yield similar results, making your making your argument irrelevant and making everything you said about minecraft not being comparable completely pointless. It's like cutting down a tree to get a better view out of your window only to realize that there is an equal tree in size behind it, but you ruined your chainsaw in the process making the entire effort pointless because the results are the same.


You aren't getting it. THE comparison was Minecraft vs Journey. I said it was a flawed comparison. 

Are you suggesting that comparison isn't flawed? I'd love to hear this...