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Why are people gay?

Choice/Preference 21 15.79%
 
High Sex Drives. 4 3.01%
 
DNA Replication Errors 6 4.51%
 
Defects during Pregnancy 10 7.52%
 
Social/Psychological envi... 17 12.78%
 
Hormone Imbalance 15 11.28%
 
Genetics - There is a Gay Gene 19 14.29%
 
Normal Disorder like Albinism 3 2.26%
 
Normal, Non Harmful Random Mutation 12 9.02%
 
I don't know 26 19.55%
 
Total:133

Michael-5 said:

What about random mutations? A lot of disorders are cause by random mutations which affect the population as a whole, and have nothing to do with inherit traits.


Also children raised by same sex and opposite gender parents have identical chances of becoming heterosexuals. If environment made a difference, how come it doesn't here?

As for preferences, a few people came up with this. However, twins separated at birth, raised in different environments typically share similar taste in spouces. They usually marry people with a similar background, similar personalities, and even similar names. Why then can there exist 1 homo and 1 heterosexual in identical twins? It's more common in fraternal twins, but even in identical twins, who are raised in the same household, one can be gay, and the other not.


Did you read what I posted? I didn't disregard biological explanations altogether. I said I don't believe they happen in most people. 

Also, pay close attention to the following:

"There probably aren't any definitive evinronmental factors that for sure causes certain sexual preference though. Considering how complicated and bizarre the human mind is, I'm pretty sure the cause of sexual preference is also complicated and perhaps bizarre."

I never said gay parents would likely raise gay children. A child's environment is much more complicated than that. Parents make up a very small component of a child's overall environment. There are hundreds of other significant complex factors which all have different affects on different people. 

You're actually helping to prove my point with that twin study. If there are two identical twins, one as homosexual and one that's heterosexual, obviously that shows that biology wasn't a major cause. Rather, they developed into their preference as they aged.

The reason I don't like the biological explanation is because people don't even have an understanding of gender until after birth. Likewise, I don't see how people would already have sexual preference before they can even understand the difference in genders. How does that work? Have you ever seen a 1 year old showing any homosexual or heterosexual tendencies? No, chances are they don't have any sexual preference yet.



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sethnintendo said:
Overpopulation

Me: I should have added other. This one made me laugh. So then why don't we see a correlation of gay people with large cities? San Francisco is the Gay capital of USA, but SF isn't that big of a city. Toronto is the Gay capital of North America, but we're only the 5th largest city, and a large portion of our gay people move here because of our pro-gay views and very localized gay neighbourhoods (Church St).


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-roger-denson/is-homosexuality-populati_b_784449.html



My personal experience goes as such. I once considered myself straight as a rail. As a teenager I found no sexual interest in males what so ever. Somewhere around the age of 19 or 20 I developed an interest in trap crossdressers. I had a bit of a sexual crisis, after that was over I noticed myself leaning more towards males and less towards females.
Cant really explain it myself. I am completely comfortable in my sexuality now and have no insecurities about it. If anyone wants to attempt some kind of informal study I dont mind being a subject in that.



Gays like dicks and straights like vaginas.
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kain_kusanagi said:
I consider sexual orientation no different than any sexual preference/attraction. Some people have foot fetishes, some like red-heads, others like certain races or accents. My point is that somewhere when we are developing we pick up on things and our minds build up a model of what we find attractive. Genes may have something to do with it, but I don't think there is a "gay" gene. If there was I don't see any way to look at it as anything other than a defective gene. We have a lot of genes to push us to have sex purely for procreation. All the things that attracts us to each other is based on procreation. Boy parts fit into girl parts, that's what we are naturally built for. If there was a gay gene it would be doing the opposite of what our sexual organs are for. If homosexuality was found to be caused by a gay gene should humanity correct it like other defective genes? I don't know, but like I said I think digging red-heads is no different than digging on your same sex. Who knows my some guys like red-heads and others like blondes and some like brunettes? I don't think a gene controls that so I don't think evolution would mutate a gene to do the opposite of procreation when the only thing genes want to do is keep us alive long enough to pass on our genes as much as possible.


You are absolutely correct.  People choose to be gay, those same people also choose to be bullied, abused, humiliated and murdered.  I am pretty sure that if being gay were a choice, people would choose to stop being gay as opposed to committing suicide because they can no longer deal with the abuse.  If people choose to be gay then why are so many in the closet--if you are choosing to be gay what would force you to hide it?  I guess you chose to be heterosexual which means you can easily choose to be homosexual if you wanted to.



You know, it could be that they are just attracted to people of the same sex.



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It's not like one day you wake up and say to yourself: "Hey, let's be gay/bi today for a change." It does not work that gay. There are some things that can't be answered. Ones say that the way your fathers raised you, others that you were born this way (wonder where everyone got that now). I am gay and I don't have any problem being it. It's just like straight guys. For me obviously was hard at first, but then it's natural. I tried to blame it to my family because my father abused my mom, and I couldn't do a damn thing about it 'cause my dad always beat the hell out of me. Thankfully they're divorced now, so I grew up with nothing more than a motherly side. Went to psychiatrist, church, etc., etc. They said it was just temporary and it's okay to question all these things.

My point is no matter what you love: "White, black, straight, gay, trans, bi.." it states that love knows no gender, color or whatsoever. Just be happy and don't do harm. Labels must nos exist, but we are to blame because of this crappy society.



CharmedontheWB said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I consider sexual orientation no different than any sexual preference/attraction. Some people have foot fetishes, some like red-heads, others like certain races or accents. My point is that somewhere when we are developing we pick up on things and our minds build up a model of what we find attractive. Genes may have something to do with it, but I don't think there is a "gay" gene. If there was I don't see any way to look at it as anything other than a defective gene. We have a lot of genes to push us to have sex purely for procreation. All the things that attracts us to each other is based on procreation. Boy parts fit into girl parts, that's what we are naturally built for. If there was a gay gene it would be doing the opposite of what our sexual organs are for. If homosexuality was found to be caused by a gay gene should humanity correct it like other defective genes? I don't know, but like I said I think digging red-heads is no different than digging on your same sex. Who knows my some guys like red-heads and others like blondes and some like brunettes? I don't think a gene controls that so I don't think evolution would mutate a gene to do the opposite of procreation when the only thing genes want to do is keep us alive long enough to pass on our genes as much as possible.


You are absolutely correct.  People choose to be gay, those same people also choose to be bullied, abused, humiliated and murdered.  I am pretty sure that if being gay were a choice, people would choose to stop being gay as opposed to committing suicide because they can no longer deal with the abuse.  If people choose to be gay then why are so many in the closet--if you are choosing to be gay what would force you to hide it?  I guess you chose to be heterosexual which means you can easily choose to be homosexual if you wanted to.


Please show me where I used the word "choose" or "choice" because I'm pretty sure I didn't and in no way ever made any point that choice has anything to do with it. I clearly said the opposite. I don't believe that being gay is a choice just like I don't belive digging red-heads is a choice. I just don't think it's 100% genetic, but instead developes in the same manner as any sexual preference. Read my post again and please read my responce to another poster missunderstand me like you did, it is below:

"You completely missunderstood me. I never once used the word choice. I don't think liking red-heads is a choice nor do I think being gay is a choice. I said I things that during the time when we are developing our mind's model on what is beautiful and what we find attractive outside influences have an affect. Sometimes that affect is digging red-heads and sometimes that affect is liking the same sex. I don't presume to understand how a child's mind develops and I'm not willing to say genes have no role at all. I just think that there is no such thing as a "gay" gene that turns 5% of the population gay. Such a gene would serve no evolutionary purpose and would have culled itself from the gene pool thousands of years ago."



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Some people are just fabulous