yup that's what i have been hearing, regardless. both are gonna be at least 8x better then currentgen, very disappointed in microsoft, looks like there going for making the best media box instead of console, if ps4 is more bpowerful, i'm going ps4 all the way, hoping they make a new controller design.

Sony just needs to do their own thing. They were most expensive this entire gen with inferior 3rd party games due to cell and they will end up at at least 90m units. If they release the same year as Xbox within $50 of it they will be just fine. Exclusives and free online sell PS over xbox and that will continue to be the case next gen. The difference in graphics will not be noticeable even though I'm almost certain xbox will be more powerful. I saw a breakdown where they said Sony could achieve 1080p 60fps with 4gb of RAM for multitasking and it would cost around $400. I don't believe they factored in that consoles take a hell of a lot less power than PCs to output the same graphics so they may be able to achieve it with even less cost or sell at a profit and I don't think nextbox would look that much better in comparison to those stats.

Most of all I have confidence that ND, SSM, GG, Suckerpunch, and all the other fantastic 1st party studios will make PS4 games look jaw dropping with modern tech considering ND is still wowing us with 6 year old tech and 256mb of RAM.

people need to realize its been 7 years since ps3/360 released, they can easily make a system that's 10x powerful with out costing them more then 450$ per unit, the only reason ps3 was so expensive was cause of blue ray drive which cost them i think 250$ per unit, i'm hoping one console is clearly more powerful, cause in reality other then a few exclusives i'm interested in, they are both twins when it comes to games.

Sony needs 2 sizes of controller.  That has been the biggest gripe I've heard of with the dualshock over the years and I have to say it is just a little to small for even me to hold the way I want now that my hands are fully grown.  I don't really like to buy 3rd party as Sony all the ones I've played with feel very cheap in comparison to Sony's so I wish they would make a controller 10% larger with a Vita like Dpad and triggers.

 All you do is hate and cherry pick. R&C A4O is a spinoff title. Modnation Racers is about to cross 1m. Pretty good for a game that was never advertised. Why don't you talk about the more successful games?

PS3 has awful CPU? LOL! The latest multiplatform games on PS3 are equal to the 360 versions, has been like that for some years now. We're not living in 2007 anymore where mp games were significantly worse on ps3, however that was 5 years ago. Outside a few games(from the same devs), mp games on ps3 are nearly identical, often surpassing the 360 versions.

You make it sound like my ps3 versions of BF3, Borderlands 2, Arkham City and NFS Most Wanted are broken.

edit: nvm, not worth it

they need to just change the controller and make it more like 360, we know now the us is xbox land, when i talk to gamers whic system are you getting nextgen they tell me the nextxbox, i tell them what about ps4, most of them come the same reply, they say they hate the ps3 controller and honestly after playing with the 360 controller and going back to the ps3, it really does feel like crap.

thas BS and you know it, just of the top of my head BLOPS2, mass effect 3, DMC and skyrim are all much better on 360, i mean way better.

edit. also AC3 is better but not by much.

The difference is still neglible both in performance and image quality. (Except in the case of Skyrim, that game was just buggy as all hell regardless of platform, improved with patches.)
If you really wan't a "night and day" difference with cross platform gaming, then grab a PC. You will be amazed at how you played games at a paltry 720P with 30fps on the PS3 or Xbox 360.
It's like you discovered fluid motion and sharp image quality for the first time.... That my friend, is "way better".

I think the worst thing Sony could do next generation is launch late and expensive with difficult to program for hardware, otherwise the Xbox will become the lead multi-platform console again.

No. If sales are bad then the fanboys will brag about power (look at gcn and xobox last gen and ps3 this gen).

and cutting edge graphics never push a console to be first. It's just sony fans that brag so much sony it's all about power since the ps3 that they will feel slapped if their belove sony is not the more powerful anymore

READ: "outside a few games from the same devs". Bethesda, Treyarch, Bioware all have the same problems for years.

DMC much better? I just saw the face-off at EG, it didn't sound like there was any significant gap between the 2, its a UE3 game.