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noname2200 said:
cyberninja45 said:

I don't if yall has been asked this question before, but what kind of home/handheld consoles yall would have released if yall had your way with Nintendo(slightly leaning towards the hardware apsects) so they could repeat NDS' and Wii's success?

For their DS successor, I would not have felt the need to include the stereoscopic 3D at all; I feel that feature does far more harm than good. I agree and agreed with Nintendo's call to not have dual analogue sticks, but would have put more focus into practical concerns such as battery life. I'm also ambivalent about the placement of the analogue stick; generally, the games that use/demand it seem to be closer suited to home consoles than handhelds, a lesson which the PSP should have taught Nintendo.

The spotpass feature has a ton of potential as well, although I would have investigated how to make it more useful for regions outside of Japan; the idea of encouraging more local play is a good one, and handhelds generally would be well served by offering more encouragement to keep the system with you as much as possible. The execution leaves much room for improvement, but I find the idea to be quite sound.

I confess, I generally have difficulty thinking of anything but the most banal and obvious ways of improving upon the DS' hardware (software, another story). I mostly have criticisms for the changes that they did make. But even with those mistakes, I believe its fortunes can still turn around if there is more focus on the software (and software prices); I do not find it coincidental that its performance in Japan coincides with the fact that Japan has seen a much larger volume of releases to date. I will reevaluate this position though if 2013 does not have a marked improvement in the 3DS' (hitherto lackluster)Western performance.

I have a difficult time finding many good things to say about the Wii U, though. The Gamepad does lend itself to some neat concepts, and I fully anticipate there will be some good (Nintendo) games coming out based on the Gamepad. But overall, it just seems like a camel at best.

Well for me the only real problem I have with the 3ds that the OS is always running in the background. They should have given the user some kinda option to play games without it running in the background to save battery life (the 3d can already be turned off for this). I have a feeling it's this way solely because of the piracy/firmware thing.

For WiiU they should have pack in a wiimote plus+ with every system(must be dirt cheap to produce by now). We'll have to wait and see if the WiiUpad and stuff was worth it though.



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cyberninja45 said:

I don't know if yall have been asked this question before, but what kind of home/handheld consoles yall would have released if yall had your way with Nintendo(slightly leaning towards the hardware apsects) so they could repeat NDS' and Wii's success?

That's the most I've seen someone use y'all in a sentence on the internet ever. *Laughs*



Running Android OS on a home console makes as much sense as running DS's OS instead of Windows on a PC. It woukd make the console redundant with an imitation iphone. It's easily hackable, and it won't be profitable since the gaming industry on Android generates very little money compared to how many Android devices are claimed to be active.



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I like your analysis, I've been saying all along that the Wii U will have a shorter life than the Wii due to the very nature of the product and the markets it is aiming for.
3DS is part of a dying breed; dedicated handheld gaming devices, they are quickly being replaced by tablets and smartphones.



3DS 2013 will not disappoint.

MSFT has resources but it lacks just one thing. Taste. The last thing the world wants is showing off a MSFT product. They have tried:

1. Google > Bing
2. IPod > Zunes, iPhone> any Window phones, iPad >>Surface

Before the smart phones and tablets took offm and took off they did once they broke free from the shackles of the Wintel empire, remember there was this nascent thing called the internet? MSFT had a monopoly over virtually all desktops and laptops. They beat up Yahoo, they took out netscape, they bullied their way onto many turfs. But culturally, MSFT was not what people desired. They owned the gateway but people sought out Google as window to the world.

Today, just getting onto the internet, having access to video, voice chat, all that....you no longer need MSFT technology at the user end. So while MSFT may have the pieces in place to win over command central, I highly doubt the brand will reach and win over Apple devotees, and most likely the next black swan (previous black swans google, twitter, facebook, etc).

General Motors was at one point the biggest car company but buyers associated German cars with quality, Italian cars with flare, Japn cars with reliability and now Korean cars with Value. You had to call upon Made in USA to persuade people to buy GM. GE tried to come into every household but once it became household...it just couldnt win the elite and luxury lines. MSFT is simply too bleh, unchic, and overwhelmingly corporate Balmer, to have a chance at winning the war in taste. And Xbox is the closest thing they got that actually doesnt suck, and it only wins America.

I highly doubt somehow the company that has often imitated but never propelled each industry it invades, all of a sudden finds enough innovation to change the perception of MICROSOFT in the minds of generations of people.



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3ds is a monster in japan and the rest of the world.the wiiu will be fine



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3DS is no DS, but it will end up selling better than the PSP for sure, and sell a ton of Nintendo software with it, which is good for Nintendo.

Wii U, I think is going to be a relative flop. I don't think Nintendo knows what they're doing in the console space and they really haven't for several years now (see the Wii losing most of its market momentum as well). They will lose their casual base and have mostly just Nintendo fans left to sell to.

I think the Wii U really will perform like a modern GameCube-N64, but the market is so much bigger today that a modern GameCube probably translates to about 35-40+ million users IMO.

Internally I believe Nintendo is already under way with the development of a console-portable hybrid platform, which could be fast tracked if Nintendo decides the Wii U isn't getting the job done. ARM processors and portable processors in general are growing in horsepower by leaps and bounds every year it seems. 



Soundwave said:

3DS is no DS, but it will end up selling better than the PSP for sure, and sell a ton of Nintendo software with it, which is good for Nintendo.

Wii U, I think is going to be a relative flop. I don't think Nintendo knows what they're doing in the console space and they really haven't for several years now (see the Wii losing most of its market momentum as well). They will lose their casual base and have mostly just Nintendo fans left to sell to.

I think the Wii U really will perform like a modern GameCube-N64, but the market is so much bigger today that a modern GameCube probably translates to about 35-40+ million users IMO.

Internally I believe Nintendo is already under way with the development of a console-portable hybrid platform, which could be fast tracked if Nintendo decides the Wii U isn't getting the job done. ARM processors and portable processors in general are growing in horsepower by leaps and bounds every year it seems. 


Ever since Nikkei first broke the story on hardware team consolidation, more and more spin's been put on Nintendo's intent to truly innovate.  I think Wii U still packs enough to buy them some time.  XL and Gamepad are not that far apart in terms of a possible product launch in 2-3 years.  If they can deliver a Gamepad with 3DS capabilities (vice versa works too), then for the first time we just might have a device that can play all Nintendo games past and present on the go or shown on the big screen.  My cash is ready.



Tarumon said:
Soundwave said:

3DS is no DS, but it will end up selling better than the PSP for sure, and sell a ton of Nintendo software with it, which is good for Nintendo.

Wii U, I think is going to be a relative flop. I don't think Nintendo knows what they're doing in the console space and they really haven't for several years now (see the Wii losing most of its market momentum as well). They will lose their casual base and have mostly just Nintendo fans left to sell to.

I think the Wii U really will perform like a modern GameCube-N64, but the market is so much bigger today that a modern GameCube probably translates to about 35-40+ million users IMO.

Internally I believe Nintendo is already under way with the development of a console-portable hybrid platform, which could be fast tracked if Nintendo decides the Wii U isn't getting the job done. ARM processors and portable processors in general are growing in horsepower by leaps and bounds every year it seems. 


Ever since Nikkei first broke the story on hardware team consolidation, more and more spin's been put on Nintendo's intent to truly innovate.  I think Wii U still packs enough to buy them some time.  XL and Gamepad are not that far apart in terms of a possible product launch in 2-3 years.  If they can deliver a Gamepad with 3DS capabilities (vice versa works too), then for the first time we just might have a device that can play all Nintendo games past and present on the go or shown on the big screen.  My cash is ready.

If I just shelled out 350$ for 2-3 years only of WiiU support only I just wasted my cash. They'd better have like a upgrade campain or something.



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While I do agree with alot of the points made in this massive -heap of words.  I'd like to point a few things out myself;

1. 3DS is still selling very well, and will likely have LTD sales upwards of 80 million. 

2. I think the biggest issue to the Wii U when it comes to the console market is that it's competing with older consoles with more games, features, better online and established fandom

3.  Though I think the Wii u might last short compared to the other consoles due to it's weaker power.  More over, I think the Wii didn't really fail because the other coonspoles where better, it just had more third party.  This is starting to matter more and more as 1st party games are losing relevence compared to massive 3rd party releases like COD, MindCraft, Assassin's Creed, ECT.

4. Nintendo has the innovotion, well sorta.  And I think that good 3rd party support, good online, (Well we know the lateter won't happen =P ) will be enough to insure that it doesn't lag to far behind the PS4 and BOX3.

 



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