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dallas on 16 January 2013
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/01/15/2-more-reasons-to-dump-microsoft/
The financial writer lists MANY REASONS why investing in Microsoft would be a poor idea. Therefore he isn't flaming.
Listed reasons:
-PC sales are slowing around 5-6% for the holidays year over year, when they should be growing bc of the brand new OS
-MS Surface sales are listed as bad, when MS is trying to move into mobile
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DirtyP2002 on 16 January 2013
Top 5 responses from different users to Sonys forecast to ship only 5 million PS Vita and PSP combined for the entire year:
No. 5: "They probably prefer lower sales rather than makes losses" by Somini
No. 4: "PSVita's hardware is not like a handheld, its more along the lines of a living room game console in the portable case" by Joeorc
No. 3: "PS3 and PS4 are hurting the vita." by SOLIDSNAKE08
No. 2: "As long as Vita is on the market, its not a failure." by VGKing
No. 1: "The Vita is not a mainstream console!" by Somini
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dallas on 16 January 2013
Some of the reasoning there wasn't that great.
For example:
1. increase in future dividend rate - well, that will cut down on future growth. A company basically wants to increase dividends when it knows that investing into the company won't provide as good of a return as just giving it away to investors, and is therefore a signal to investors and the markets that future growth won't be as high as it is now.
2. Growth projections- It lists 14% growth for 2014....... the writer must be stoned.
3. The writer lists innovation with the MS Surface.....given the poor sales, the writer must be stoned.
4. Upcoming Catalyst- A catalyst is usually identified as a trend either helping or hurting a company ( like more people buying PC's, or growth in techie culture, etc), but lists none of these. This is bad, as in gaming journalismp level of bad.
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DirtyP2002 on 16 January 2013
dallas said:
Some of the reasoning there wasn't that great.
For example:
1. increase in future dividend rate - well, that will cut down on future growth. A company basically wants to increase dividends when it knows that investing into the company won't provide as good of a return as just giving it away to investors, and is therefore a signal to investors and the markets that future growth won't be as high as it is now.
2. Growth projections- It lists 14% growth for 2014....... the writer must be stoned.
3. The writer lists innovation with the MS Surface.....given the poor sales, the writer must be stoned.
4. Upcoming Catalyst- A catalyst is usually identified as a trend either helping or hurting a company ( like more people buying PC's, or growth in techie culture, etc), but lists none of these. This is bad, as in gaming journalismp level of bad.
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1. But this goes for companies who actually need to finance their investments. MS does not need to do this, because they have billions of dollars in cash. You make it sound like paying a dividend is something bad. IBM, Apple and Oracle all do it for a reason.
2. It lists 14% growth untill 2014. And this is not the opininon of the writer, but the opinion of different analysts. You can find it here: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=MSFT+Analyst+Estimates
3. Surface had a distribution problem more than anything else and you know it. I still think it (or Surface 2 or whatever) has a decent chance to succeed.
4. I agree the author could have described it better (like the rise of Nokia thanks to MS (+120% in the past 6 months), the push to the cloud, where MS is doing a fantastic job, etc.)
Top 5 responses from different users to Sonys forecast to ship only 5 million PS Vita and PSP combined for the entire year:
No. 5: "They probably prefer lower sales rather than makes losses" by Somini
No. 4: "PSVita's hardware is not like a handheld, its more along the lines of a living room game console in the portable case" by Joeorc
No. 3: "PS3 and PS4 are hurting the vita." by SOLIDSNAKE08
No. 2: "As long as Vita is on the market, its not a failure." by VGKing
No. 1: "The Vita is not a mainstream console!" by Somini

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kowenicki on 16 January 2013
dallas said:
Some of the reasoning there wasn't that great.
For example:
1. increase in future dividend rate - well, that will cut down on future growth. A company basically wants to increase dividends when it knows that investing into the company won't provide as good of a return as just giving it away to investors, and is therefore a signal to investors and the markets that future growth won't be as high as it is now.
2. Growth projections- It lists 14% growth for 2014....... the writer must be stoned.
3. The writer lists innovation with the MS Surface.....given the poor sales, the writer must be stoned.
4. Upcoming Catalyst- A catalyst is usually identified as a trend either helping or hurting a company ( like more people buying PC's, or growth in techie culture, etc), but lists none of these. This is bad, as in gaming journalismp level of bad.
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1. Your answer here shows me there is no pointin talking about anything financial with you. This is so utterly ridiculous its laughable.
You said a Dividend payment is a sign of a weakening company.
what the holy fuck!? lol

Home Console Market Share:
5th Gen: Sony 71%, Nintendo 23%, Sega 6%, Microsoft (did not play)
6th Gen: Sony 74%, Microsoft 12%, Nintendo 10%, Sega 4%
7th Gen: Nintendo 39%, Sony 30.5%, Microsoft 30.5%
8th Gen: Please wait........
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dallas on 16 January 2013
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
Some of the reasoning there wasn't that great.
For example:
1. increase in future dividend rate - well, that will cut down on future growth. A company basically wants to increase dividends when it knows that investing into the company won't provide as good of a return as just giving it away to investors, and is therefore a signal to investors and the markets that future growth won't be as high as it is now.
2. Growth projections- It lists 14% growth for 2014....... the writer must be stoned.
3. The writer lists innovation with the MS Surface.....given the poor sales, the writer must be stoned.
4. Upcoming Catalyst- A catalyst is usually identified as a trend either helping or hurting a company ( like more people buying PC's, or growth in techie culture, etc), but lists none of these. This is bad, as in gaming journalismp level of bad.
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1. Your answer here shows me there is no pointin talking about anything financial with you. This is so utterly ridiculous its laughable.
You said a Dividend payment is a sign of a weakening company.
what the holy fuck!? lol
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A company that posts a dividend is signaling that it will grow less in the future. That much is considered a given, unless you are talking about companies in dire straits such as Sony (who definitely won't be increasing their dividends anytime soon) who cannot afford to increase their dividends or declare the corporation's first dividend.
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Tallgeese101 on 16 January 2013
What do you think a dividend is?
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dallas on 16 January 2013
Tallgeese101 said: What do you think a dividend is? |
Youre asking me?
ok, a dividend is a reward to investors for buying the stock. It is the thing that gives stock value. However, it is assumed that a company that is growing and prosperous will post a dividend in the future, and also assumed that if it is growing by a good pace, then it can avoid declaring a dividend and still get a good increase in its stock price. Thats a lot of facts to keep in mind, concurrently, and I haven't contradicted myself. I have a finance degree and know what I'm talking about.
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kowenicki on 16 January 2013
dallas said:
Tallgeese101 said: What do you think a dividend is? |
Youre asking me?
ok, a dividend is a reward to investors for buying the stock. It is the thing that gives stock value. However, it is assumed that a company that is growing and prosperous will post a dividend in the future, and also assumed that if it is growing by a good pace, then it can avoid declaring a dividend and still get a good increase in its stock price. Thats a lot of facts to keep in mind, concurrently, and I haven't contradicted myself. I have a finance degree and know what I'm talking about.
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a reward? never heard it called that before.
its a distribution of profit to entitled shareholders.

Home Console Market Share:
5th Gen: Sony 71%, Nintendo 23%, Sega 6%, Microsoft (did not play)
6th Gen: Sony 74%, Microsoft 12%, Nintendo 10%, Sega 4%
7th Gen: Nintendo 39%, Sony 30.5%, Microsoft 30.5%
8th Gen: Please wait........
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dallas on 16 January 2013
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
Tallgeese101 said: What do you think a dividend is? |
Youre asking me?
ok, a dividend is a reward to investors for buying the stock. It is the thing that gives stock value. However, it is assumed that a company that is growing and prosperous will post a dividend in the future, and also assumed that if it is growing by a good pace, then it can avoid declaring a dividend and still get a good increase in its stock price. Thats a lot of facts to keep in mind, concurrently, and I haven't contradicted myself. I have a finance degree and know what I'm talking about.
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a reward? never heard it called that before.
its a distribution of profit to entitled shareholders.
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ok great, so we're arguing over semantics now.
Useless post.
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