Arcturus said:
sc94597 said:
fordy said:
sc94597 said:
fordy said:
dsgrue3 said:
fordy said:
If I want a 50MT hydrogen fusion bomb, I should be allowed to have it!
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Guns, not bombs. Although I think if you wanted to rig your own property with bombs that would only be detrimental to your own property, that should be allowed.
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Let's not discriminate here....
You have your way of "defending" and I have mine.
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The 2nd Amendment is primarily for the matter of self-defence against a state that has stolen power from the people - a tyrranical state. Common semi-automatic weapons (the AR-15 is the top rifle in the U.S) are necessary for defense against a tyrranical regime, 50MT hydrogen fusion bombs are not. Strawman arguments represent low capacity for logic. So on, and so on.
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You've shown no logic towards the argument at all. Can you provide any kind of evidence in which a 50MT hydrogen fusion bomb would NOT help with tyrannical reigimes?
You can't just cherry pick. "Oh this limit is suitable enough", while at the same time criticise others for wanting to impose THEIR limits. THAT is low capacity for logic right there...
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A 50MT hydrogen fusion bomb is not a weapon with any use of self-defence. It annihilates all in its path and devastes more than just people but also the environment. This is a violation of the non-aggression axiom. As for the limitations, it has to do with the most recent supreme court interpretation of the second amendment in Heller vs. D.C. It was stated that any common weapon (as these semi-automatic weapons are) should not be restricted from civilians. This was also the intentions of the founding fathers.
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How do you determine what a common weapon is though? You're saying semi-automatic weapons are common weapons, and therefore should not be restricted from civilians. What about grenades, or rocket launchers? Where do you draw the line?
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"Dick Heller's application to register his semi-automatic pistol was rejected because the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to the District's interpretation, all bottom-loading guns, including magazine-fed non-assault-style rifles, are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.[69] Revolvers will likely not fall under such a ban."
"Scalia's opinion for the majority provided 2nd Amendment protection for commonly used and popular handguns but not for atypical arms or arms that are used for unlawful purposes such as short-barreled shotguns. Scalia stated: "Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid." "We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179." "We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns." Furthermore, military grade weapons not being the sort of weapons that are possessed at home that would be brought to militia duty are not the sort of lawful weapon conceived of being protected. "It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service – M-16 rifles and the like – may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty."[73] Therefore, weapons that are most useful in military service – M-16 rifles and weapons like it – are also not provided with 2nd Amendment protection."
And no, the weapons in the "Assault weapon" ban aren't military weapons.