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miz1q2w3e said:
mrstickball said:
miz1q2w3e said:
The public schools in my area were frickin awesome (Canada). I also attended some private schools. It depends really. I'd say public ~= private.

Home school = fail. Missing out on lots of stuff.

Such as?

I dunno, umm

The benefit of having an expert in each feild teach you what you need to know instead of just one person who isn't. The social aspect, friends, GFs/BFs, interacting with different types of people, learning life skills. Field trips, labs, experiments, activities, sports, clubs, it's a whole different experience.

If teachers were experts in their feilds the US would be graduating a smarter populace. You need a teaching degree to teach, not a degree in the subject you want to teach. The benifit of having a teacher(parent) that has all of their intent and focus on making 1-4 four kids graduate is better than the teacher whose intent is a carreer and has 30-90 students.



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I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .



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miz1q2w3e said:
mrstickball said:
miz1q2w3e said:
The public schools in my area were frickin awesome (Canada). I also attended some private schools. It depends really. I'd say public ~= private.

Home school = fail. Missing out on lots of stuff.

Such as?

I dunno, umm

The benefit of having an expert in each feild teach you what you need to know instead of just one person who isn't. The social aspect, friends, GFs/BFs, interacting with different types of people, learning life skills. Field trips, labs, experiments, activities, sports, clubs, it's a whole different experience.

The vast majority of teachers are far from experts in their fields. Furthermore, the vast majority of learning is done from books which were written by experts. These are the same books homeschoolers use.

Social aspects can easily be taken care of via clubs and other social groups.

I never had a problem with relationships outside of homeschooling.. It's not like there aren't homeschooler co-ops where you can meet a lot of other people (even then, you have many other social organizations that you can go to).

Life skills? I was running my own business at 15 and was writing for major sporting publications around that time as well. Field trips? Had plenty of them. The rest of your comments continue to show your ignorance about homeschooling. There are plenty of co-ops that pool kids together for various labs, activities and sports.

Homeschool isn't perfect, but to show complete ignorance of it really doesn't do your argument well.



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miz1q2w3e said:
mrstickball said:
Cobretti2 said:
Both have their pros and cons depending on where they are. Others have pretty much elaborated on this already.

Home Schooling is not good for you. You may end up smarter then the average Joe, but socially you do not fit in and people thing you are weird. It is like getting an Amish person out of his environment.

Funny, I could swear I was pretty social, as were most people in my class.

Does not compute.


There were about 100 other homeschoolers in my county, with about 30 of them within my age group. So I graduated with a few kids. Not as many as a public school, but I still had about 2-3 dozen that were within 1 year of me. Almost all of them have very good jobs that require a lot of social interaction.



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the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?



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The correct answer is magnet schools. Much stricter and better education than public school and anyone can enroll.



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Fusioncode said:
The correct answer is magnet schools. Much stricter and better education than public school and anyone can enroll.

Tend to agree with this and private schools, although public education wasn't bad especially early on if there are programs tailored to those who show great capacity to learn. 

Public tends to be a mixed bag, from terrible to excellent. All about research there. 

I think if there is a good public school available that would be my first option, if there isn't - private. I wouldn't want to stress my kid out before he/she became an adult.

Home school is a terrible idea. I'd only be supportive of that in extreme circumstances - health / mental state / etc.



mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?


I would expect if the quality of incoming kids is lower (less well raised) as is often the case in major urban areas in America, the cost per student would be much higher to make their test scores the same as a higher quality incoming student.

About homeschooling: I'd heard of studies saying that, on average, homeschooled kids perform better than public schooled kids. The problem with this statistic is that it doesn't account for widely varying qualities among public school students. 

I dont doubt that most homeschooled kids have parents who care. This parents are often well off since theyll need the time to teach their child. So these homeschooled kids with devoted parents are being compared to public schools where many of the kids have extremely overworked/poor/not caring parents.

I wouldn't doubt that scores would be relatively the same for children from similar families regardless of where they go to school.



 

 

spurgeonryan said:
Seems whenever I hear A home schooler talk he is bragging about waking up whenever. This is not good Imo. Kids need to be used to waking up early. Not just whenever. Usually in the work force you need to be used to a schedule.

 

Actually waking up whenever is the best for their future

Sleep is one of the most important needs of a child/teenager, they will be better able to learn if rested, less moody, concentrate better, feel happier

Teenagers in particular have a body clock shift of about 2 hrs, where they cant help but go to bed later and wake up later, if you cater for this, teens will be less moody and better able to cope with learning, in conventional schools teens are forced to get up even earlier to their detriment

As for the workforce hours, as adults they will adjust with ease because their body clock is now far more flexible (one advantage of growing up)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/teens-health/CC00019



Ah, thanks for sharing, guys. It appears I didn't know much about homeschooling the way you described.