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Maris said:

 

I'm not going to act like I know much about guns or gun injuries, but weren't most of these victims small children under 10? I feel like small children like that wouldn't be able to sustain more than a single shot or so. Also, in a small classroom, its difficult for people to maneuver and escape. If someone opened fire in a cramped classroom, I could definitely see people getting shot multiple times.



There were 28 deaths. 7 were adults, one was the shooter (self inflicted) and the rest were children. Out of the 7 adults the first one was his mom at her home. The first from the school was the principal and others in the office. The children were the last ones and I'm pretty sure most were 6 and 7 years old. pretty easy to die from blood loss if your loosing just as much as an adult but have half the amount



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Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
It is natural for people to fear the unknown. All these conspiracy theories are a result of people being afraid, not logic or reasoning. Be stronger than your emotions and think about how crazy you are to believe this was faked. The Sandy Hook tragedy in no way was an inside job.

Believing what you're told can also be the result of fear. Fear isn't exclusive, and can cause different ways of thinking. Also, a logical person takes in all available information to discern the truth. An illogical, fearful, or emotional person dismisses what they deem to be contrary to their beliefs.

No. Trusting peer reviewed papers and common sense are not a result of fear.

You missed the point of my reply entirely. And common sense is subjective.



it's common sense to research your claims. Which the one who made the video obviously didn't do. However, when I researched their claims what did I find? That it is actually very probable that it was a name change. So what do I believe? I believe what the evidence suggest... which is contrary to the video. Case closed, next on the docket?

Tell that to the religious and politicians. Common sense is subjective. Next on the docket? You never answered my questions.



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My brother is a big fan of infowars and always tells me his stuff. He was just telling me about this yesterday... so I watched the video and read some of your replies. Just another attempting at connecting dots that don't exist.

Rifle? name one media event where the various news agencies haven't given conflicting wrong info due to some random people they pulled info from. It doesn't exist. That examiner was obviously a little off and probably had no clue or simply put there was a rifle in there vs only handguns.

Guy with kids on lawn? another random guy either making news for himself or simply making mistakes. No issue there.

No emergency videos? cherry picking at its finest. In this thread alone there are links to another fund that shows emergency vehicles behind the firehouse by its back door.

1 injured? umm you've never seen kids scared huh? most would cower and scream especially with no where to run and seeing other kids being shot. Additionally, based on the killer's now known facts on his mom... I bet he's been around guns most of his life. Probably not a bad shot.

webpage dates? oh for fuck sake. Its the damn internet people. Sites change, millions of FB sites created daily, and above all... I put zero faith into infowars to not fabricate one or two.

picture of Emily with Obama? as others pointed out... it was her younger sister. Pay better attention. Obviously infowars is not going to.

I admit there are serious issues with 9/11, so I am not without my own conspiracy ideas... but this is simply not one of them. Its not. Just stop.



adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
It is natural for people to fear the unknown. All these conspiracy theories are a result of people being afraid, not logic or reasoning. Be stronger than your emotions and think about how crazy you are to believe this was faked. The Sandy Hook tragedy in no way was an inside job.

Believing what you're told can also be the result of fear. Fear isn't exclusive, and can cause different ways of thinking. Also, a logical person takes in all available information to discern the truth. An illogical, fearful, or emotional person dismisses what they deem to be contrary to their beliefs.

No. Trusting peer reviewed papers and common sense are not a result of fear.

You missed the point of my reply entirely. And common sense is subjective.



it's common sense to research your claims. Which the one who made the video obviously didn't do. However, when I researched their claims what did I find? That it is actually very probable that it was a name change. So what do I believe? I believe what the evidence suggest... which is contrary to the video. Case closed, next on the docket?

Tell that to the religious and politicians. Common sense is subjective. Next on the docket? You never answered my questions.

What doespolitics have anything to do with thise nonsense? Common sense is subjective is a cowardly way of weasling out of this. I think everyone would agree that if you want your claims to hold up you should research and investigate them which did not happen here. As for your questions I have answered them all.



Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
It is natural for people to fear the unknown. All these conspiracy theories are a result of people being afraid, not logic or reasoning. Be stronger than your emotions and think about how crazy you are to believe this was faked. The Sandy Hook tragedy in no way was an inside job.

Believing what you're told can also be the result of fear. Fear isn't exclusive, and can cause different ways of thinking. Also, a logical person takes in all available information to discern the truth. An illogical, fearful, or emotional person dismisses what they deem to be contrary to their beliefs.

No. Trusting peer reviewed papers and common sense are not a result of fear.

You missed the point of my reply entirely. And common sense is subjective.



it's common sense to research your claims. Which the one who made the video obviously didn't do. However, when I researched their claims what did I find? That it is actually very probable that it was a name change. So what do I believe? I believe what the evidence suggest... which is contrary to the video. Case closed, next on the docket?

Tell that to the religious and politicians. Common sense is subjective. Next on the docket? You never answered my questions.

What doespolitics have anything to do with thise nonsense? Common sense is subjective is a cowardly way of weasling out of this. I think everyone would agree that if you want your claims to hold up you should research and investigate them which did not happen here. As for your questions I have answered them all.

You said that it's common sense to research your claims. Most religious people and almsot all politicians never research their claims. They just make things up to suit their overall agenda. Is that easier for you to comprehend?

What is "this" and how is stating a fact weasling out of it?

No, you haven't answered all my questions.

What was the name of the Facebook page before December 14th? (You said to find out from Facebook. That's not answering the question)

Is it a coincidence that the date of the page is only 1-3 days prior to the day of the shooting? (You didn't answer)

Yes, the names can be changed, but can the dates? And if the dates can be changed, why a few days prior to the incident? If the dates can't be changed, what were the original names of the pages? (I asked these to someone else, but feel free to take a stab at them.)



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adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
 

 

 

 

 

 

What doespolitics have anything to do with thise nonsense? Common sense is subjective is a cowardly way of weasling out of this. I think everyone would agree that if you want your claims to hold up you should research and investigate them which did not happen here. As for your questions I have answered them all.

You said that it's common sense to research your claims. Most religious people and almsot all politicians never research their claims. They just make things up to suit their overall agenda. Is that easier for you to comprehend?

What is "this" and how is stating a fact weasling out of it?

No, you haven't answered all my questions.

What was the name of the Facebook page before December 14th? (You said to find out from Facebook. That's not answering the question)

Is it a coincidence that the date of the page is only 1-3 days prior to the day of the shooting? (You didn't answer)

Yes, the names can be changed, but can the dates? And if the dates can be changed, why a few days prior to the incident? If the dates can't be changed, what were the original names of the pages? (I asked these to someone else, but feel free to take a stab at them.)

First of all, no... politics has nothing to do with this.

Secondly, it's not my job to provide you with the name of the page before it changed. It's yours and the ones making the claims. It's my job to debunk your claims with reasonable doubt which I have done.

I did answer this question by stating facts and stats. It is no where near a coincidence if within that time frame 3.6 million new users were created. Especially considering there are multiple (dozens of them) of profiles dedicated to the same person now and of those some of them were created before the incident.

Again, your job to provide that evidence to support your claims not ours.



The guy who made that video obviously didnt know anything about how school lockdowns work. Most of the stuff in there is easily explained.



Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
 

 

 

 

 

 

What doespolitics have anything to do with thise nonsense? Common sense is subjective is a cowardly way of weasling out of this. I think everyone would agree that if you want your claims to hold up you should research and investigate them which did not happen here. As for your questions I have answered them all.

You said that it's common sense to research your claims. Most religious people and almsot all politicians never research their claims. They just make things up to suit their overall agenda. Is that easier for you to comprehend?

What is "this" and how is stating a fact weasling out of it?

No, you haven't answered all my questions.

What was the name of the Facebook page before December 14th? (You said to find out from Facebook. That's not answering the question)

Is it a coincidence that the date of the page is only 1-3 days prior to the day of the shooting? (You didn't answer)

Yes, the names can be changed, but can the dates? And if the dates can be changed, why a few days prior to the incident? If the dates can't be changed, what were the original names of the pages? (I asked these to someone else, but feel free to take a stab at them.)

First of all, no... politics has nothing to do with this.

Secondly, it's not my job to provide you with the name of the page before it changed. It's yours and the ones making the claims. It's my job to debunk your claims with reasonable doubt which I have done.

I did answer this question by stating facts and stats. It is no where near a coincidence if within that time frame 3.6 million new users were created. Especially considering there are multiple (dozens of them) of profiles dedicated to the same person now and of those some of them were created before the incident.

Again, your job to provide that evidence to support your claims not ours.

I've never made a claim about anything in this thread. I think you're confused, because you don't seem to comprehend the main point of this thread, which is to ask questions and get different opinions.

Who said this has anything to do with politics? I used politicians and religious people as examples of two groups that commonly don't use common sense.

I never said it was your job to provide the name of the page, so it definitely isn't mine. No one may ever know, but it's still a question I feel should be asked all the same.

Again, I'm not making any claims, I'm asking questions. Questions you still seem to be avoiding. You can easily just say that you don't have an answer. There's nothing wrong with that.



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No one is avoiding questions. I do not know what they were before they were what they are now, nor do I care. The question is irrelevant and not my concern. My concern is to debunk the stupidness in the video you posted which I have suceeded in doing so. You are asking the wrong people and if you want to know the truth then ask the right people. Waste your time in asking trivial question.

However, you are asking them because of the questions the video posed. In such a manner that you are echoing the same concerns that the video is showing. Therefore, since you are asking questions because of a video you seem to be concerned with then it is your duty to do the investigation and come back with your findings.



Yep, because a school, the police, and the media all joined in on a conspiracy.
That makes sense.



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