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J_Allard said:
Marks said:
Look I don't care if you believe it or not, but I do hate when people immediately dismiss it as "a video by some gun lunatic who's afraid of Obama taking his guns" or some other similar wording...If people didn't question things we would still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth.

The government is so fucking corrupt, do you really think they have your best interests at heart? Maybe they didn't do this, or 9/11 for that matter, but they certainly aren't out to make your life better.


No offense but what a ****ing stupid comparison. Yeah, natural progression of ideology such as the world not being flat, is just as logical as this tin foil hat nonsense.

And it's easy to dismiss it was illogical fear mongering from a gun nut when the issues raised are laughable at best. As human beings we should all be ashamed that videos like this exist.


None taken. Yeah I know it wasn't the best comparison, but my point was simply it is good to question things. If everyone just shuts up and accepts the status quo then that will not be a good thing.

Maybe it is just fear mongering, but many people do have something to lose if Obama starts passing more gun legislation. And of course AR-15 style weapons will be the target since they bear a striking resemblance to military weapons (although far less deadly). 



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ishiki said:
Marks said:
Look I don't care if you believe it or not, but I do hate when people immediately dismiss it as "a video by some gun lunatic who's afraid of Obama taking his guns" or some other similar wording...If people didn't question things we would still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth.

The government is so fucking corrupt, do you really think they have your best interests at heart? Maybe they didn't do this, or 9/11 for that matter, but they certainly aren't out to make your life better.


How do you know the government didn't tell you the world is round when it is in fact flat? The school system is run by the government. you ask questions, but the probabilities in certain situations lean much more to certain explanations being more feasible.

People are corrupt, governments will always be corrupt As a result. 


I'm with ya there my good man. 



Marks said:
J_Allard said:
Marks said:
Look I don't care if you believe it or not, but I do hate when people immediately dismiss it as "a video by some gun lunatic who's afraid of Obama taking his guns" or some other similar wording...If people didn't question things we would still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth.

The government is so fucking corrupt, do you really think they have your best interests at heart? Maybe they didn't do this, or 9/11 for that matter, but they certainly aren't out to make your life better.


No offense but what a ****ing stupid comparison. Yeah, natural progression of ideology such as the world not being flat, is just as logical as this tin foil hat nonsense.

And it's easy to dismiss it was illogical fear mongering from a gun nut when the issues raised are laughable at best. As human beings we should all be ashamed that videos like this exist.


None taken. Yeah I know it wasn't the best comparison, but my point was simply it is good to question things. If everyone just shuts up and accepts the status quo then that will not be a good thing.

Maybe it is just fear mongering, but many people do have something to lose if Obama starts passing more gun legislation. And of course AR-15 style weapons will be the target since they bear a striking resemblance to military weapons (although far less deadly). 


Asking questions is dandy... but then refusing the accept the answer the questions provide is not. In this case take Nintendo Pie. He is saying that the facebook profiles are suspicious. However, the guy in the video was completely wrong about Emilies profile being that he said it was created in the morning... when it was actually created 9 hours after the shootings. The guy in the video said "why would you create this page if you are unsure if your daughter is dead." After 9 hours and communicating with police officials I would think they were pretty sure their daughter was dead. And then for the 2nd facebook profile I provided a simple and very plausible explination. I have found numerous facebook profiles for Victoria Soto (go ahead type in her name and see the hundreds of profiles dedicated to her appear) that were created before the shootings. On top of that my research provided me with exact numbers of profiles created daily. It is very reasonable to believe one of those 3.6mil new users within 4 days decided to make thier profile for Victoria Soto. Instead of accepting the more realistic answer that the video is made by someone who doesn't know his facts people would rather distibute the video as a huge conspiracy... b ecause thgat's somehoe more believable



Max King of the Wild said:
Marks said:
J_Allard said:
Marks said:
Look I don't care if you believe it or not, but I do hate when people immediately dismiss it as "a video by some gun lunatic who's afraid of Obama taking his guns" or some other similar wording...If people didn't question things we would still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth.

The government is so fucking corrupt, do you really think they have your best interests at heart? Maybe they didn't do this, or 9/11 for that matter, but they certainly aren't out to make your life better.


No offense but what a ****ing stupid comparison. Yeah, natural progression of ideology such as the world not being flat, is just as logical as this tin foil hat nonsense.

And it's easy to dismiss it was illogical fear mongering from a gun nut when the issues raised are laughable at best. As human beings we should all be ashamed that videos like this exist.


None taken. Yeah I know it wasn't the best comparison, but my point was simply it is good to question things. If everyone just shuts up and accepts the status quo then that will not be a good thing.

Maybe it is just fear mongering, but many people do have something to lose if Obama starts passing more gun legislation. And of course AR-15 style weapons will be the target since they bear a striking resemblance to military weapons (although far less deadly). 


Asking questions is dandy... but then refusing the accept the answer the questions provide is not. In this case take Nintendo Pie. He is saying that the facebook profiles are suspicious. However, the guy in the video was completely wrong about Emilies profile being that he said it was created in the morning... when it was actually created 9 hours after the shootings. The guy in the video said "why would you create this page if you are unsure if your daughter is dead." After 9 hours and communicating with police officials I would think they were pretty sure their daughter was dead. And then for the 2nd facebook profile I provided a simple and very plausible explination. I have found numerous facebook profiles for Victoria Soto (go ahead type in her name and see the hundreds of profiles dedicated to her appear) that were created before the shootings. On top of that my research provided me with exact numbers of profiles created daily. It is very reasonable to believe one of those 3.6mil new users within 4 days decided to make thier profile for Victoria Soto.


Yeah the facebook profiles certainly wasn't the most convincing thing for me. And you're right...refusing to accept answers due to stubbornness/pride or whatever the reason is wrong. 

I think the most fishy thing for me was the 26/27 deaths and just 1 injury. In all the other shootings far more people ended up just injured than dead. Now obviously I wasn't there but how did only one guy escape with injuries where the rest were killed (some with 3-7 bullets in them).

Now I'm not sold on this being a valid conspiracy just yet, but there are a few things fishy. And if you can believe 9/11 was an inside job than you can pretty much believe the government would do anything. And the 9/11 conspiracy isn't one guy in his basement with CB radios and a tinfoil hat, that's a whole lot of people who believe it. 

One last thing I want to say...The "patriot" who blindly trusts his government and thinks they can and will do no wrong is as stupid as the "tin foil hat conspiracist" who has no grasp of reality. It's definitely good to be somewhere in the middle and able to listen to both sides!! 



Usually facebook pages can be retroactively made into tribute pages. There's a kid from my graduating high school class who got killed (he was trying to kill someone at the time though, his murder was ruled self-defense) whose facebook page was made into a tribute.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
theprof00 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

While I do not believe the shooting was fake, there does seem to be quite a few inconsistencies. Especially the gentleman who lost his daughter and the next day was smiling and joking before "going into character". The facebook page where they announced the girls death and opened a donation page, then hours later had an update where they claimed the school was on lock down and they had not heard what happened to their daughter was truly a head scratcher.  I am only around 12 minutes in but I would highly suggest that before people comment, they actually watch the video first (or at least more than 5 minutes).

There is such a thing as people trying to be strong. You come off as someone who knows nothing about human psychology.

I'm sorry do you have children??? I happen to have 3 children and let me tell you, anyone who just lost their child in any matter WOULD NOT have the ability to sit there and be smiling and laughing the day after. There is being strong and then their is pure bullshit like that gentleman was displaying. You obviously have very poor observation skills.  Give your head a shake!


If you really believe what you are saying then I know why you can believe the OPs video so easily

I do, and I would bet that the majority of people on this site who are parents would agree. There would be absolutely no way in hell they would even be able to crack a smile let alone a laugh the day after.

While I don't believe the video for a second, I'd have to disagree. Wasn't there a girl from the US that was captive for like 18 years and her parents were acccused of being responsible for her disappearance after a reporter caught her dad smiling? I'm sure that most parents would agree with you, but maybe not everyone reacts the same way (even if it's a tiny minority)



Marks said:

I think the most fishy thing for me was the 26/27 deaths and just 1 injury. In all the other shootings far more people ended up just injured than dead. Now obviously I wasn't there but how did only one guy escape with injuries where the rest were killed (some with 3-7 bullets in them).

I'm not going to act like I know much about guns or gun injuries, but weren't most of these victims small children under 10? I feel like small children like that wouldn't be able to sustain more than a single shot or so. Also, in a small classroom, its difficult for people to maneuver and escape. If someone opened fire in a cramped classroom, I could definitely see people getting shot multiple times.



Maris said:

 

I'm not going to act like I know much about guns or gun injuries, but weren't most of these victims small children under 10? I feel like small children like that wouldn't be able to sustain more than a single shot or so. Also, in a small classroom, its difficult for people to maneuver and escape. If someone opened fire in a cramped classroom, I could definitely see people getting shot multiple times.



There were 28 deaths. 7 were adults, one was the shooter (self inflicted) and the rest were children. Out of the 7 adults the first one was his mom at her home. The first from the school was the principal and others in the office. The children were the last ones and I'm pretty sure most were 6 and 7 years old. pretty easy to die from blood loss if your loosing just as much as an adult but have half the amount



Max King of the Wild said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
adriane23 said:
JoeTheBro said:
It is natural for people to fear the unknown. All these conspiracy theories are a result of people being afraid, not logic or reasoning. Be stronger than your emotions and think about how crazy you are to believe this was faked. The Sandy Hook tragedy in no way was an inside job.

Believing what you're told can also be the result of fear. Fear isn't exclusive, and can cause different ways of thinking. Also, a logical person takes in all available information to discern the truth. An illogical, fearful, or emotional person dismisses what they deem to be contrary to their beliefs.

No. Trusting peer reviewed papers and common sense are not a result of fear.

You missed the point of my reply entirely. And common sense is subjective.



it's common sense to research your claims. Which the one who made the video obviously didn't do. However, when I researched their claims what did I find? That it is actually very probable that it was a name change. So what do I believe? I believe what the evidence suggest... which is contrary to the video. Case closed, next on the docket?

Tell that to the religious and politicians. Common sense is subjective. Next on the docket? You never answered my questions.



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My brother is a big fan of infowars and always tells me his stuff. He was just telling me about this yesterday... so I watched the video and read some of your replies. Just another attempting at connecting dots that don't exist.

Rifle? name one media event where the various news agencies haven't given conflicting wrong info due to some random people they pulled info from. It doesn't exist. That examiner was obviously a little off and probably had no clue or simply put there was a rifle in there vs only handguns.

Guy with kids on lawn? another random guy either making news for himself or simply making mistakes. No issue there.

No emergency videos? cherry picking at its finest. In this thread alone there are links to another fund that shows emergency vehicles behind the firehouse by its back door.

1 injured? umm you've never seen kids scared huh? most would cower and scream especially with no where to run and seeing other kids being shot. Additionally, based on the killer's now known facts on his mom... I bet he's been around guns most of his life. Probably not a bad shot.

webpage dates? oh for fuck sake. Its the damn internet people. Sites change, millions of FB sites created daily, and above all... I put zero faith into infowars to not fabricate one or two.

picture of Emily with Obama? as others pointed out... it was her younger sister. Pay better attention. Obviously infowars is not going to.

I admit there are serious issues with 9/11, so I am not without my own conspiracy ideas... but this is simply not one of them. Its not. Just stop.