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PS3 will outsell 360, but 360 put up a good fight.

Also, something to point out, in an alligned launch comparision PS3 outsold 360 for the first 5 alligned years. However 360 outsold PS3 in the 6th year alligned, and unless PS3 can top 9.81 million units in 2013 (which I doubt with successor consoles likey to release/be announced this year, and WiiU growing), 360 should outsell PS3 in the alligned 7th year. Maybe even years 8-10 as well. So while PS3 started better, 360 ended better.

P.S. In an alligned launch comparision, 360 outsold the PS2 in it's 6th year, but the PS3 has never outsold the PS2. In the 6th year 360 sold 14.1 million units, and PS2 sold 13.66 million units. PS3 did 11.28 in the corresponding year, and that's also the closest PS3 sales have been to PS2 sales in a corresponding year.



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How do you think Sony closed the ten million console gap after launching a year late? They beat them the majority of the years on the market. Microsoft has been holding onto a thread for a while. Kinect was the last trick up their sleeve.



sunK1D said:
Credit where credit is due.
marketshare:
X360 has been ahead of the PS3 this whole gen despite being handicaped due to competing in one less market(JP) and the huge global Playstation brand awareness. Doesn't matter if MS finishes last or not, they have already beaten Sony this gen and this is FACT.

Credit where credit is due.
Gaming experience:
Sony gave gamers the best overall gaming experiences this generation with their exclusives.

360 has more exclusives LOL

MS put up a good fight, and pre-2009 it was the console of choice. Esxclusives were better, the price was more affordable, and in general it was a better console.

However post 2009, MS kind of gave up. All we see are Halo sequels, remakes, and prequels, Forza after Forza, and just the same few brands over and over. No more 3rd party or unique exclusives like Lost Odyssey, Too Human, or Tales of Vesperia, and the few new IP's are available on PC (e.g. Alan Wake).

 

Credit where credit is due.

Sony eventually came thrugh to the gamers, and 2009-201? PS3 is the best 7th gen system to have.
Ms did extremely well, giving itself a brand name, outpacing the PS3 upto the release of 8th gen consoles.
Nintendo really did well, going from 3rd to 1st, making AAA iterations of their best franchises (Mario Galaxy is arguably the best Mario 3D platformer, Skyward Sword, XenoBlade, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, etc, all among the best games Nintendo has ever made).



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Michael-5 said:
sunK1D said:
Credit where credit is due.
marketshare:
X360 has been ahead of the PS3 this whole gen despite being handicaped due to competing in one less market(JP) and the huge global Playstation brand awareness. Doesn't matter if MS finishes last or not, they have already beaten Sony this gen and this is FACT.

Credit where credit is due.
Gaming experience:
Sony gave gamers the best overall gaming experiences this generation with their exclusives.

360 has more exclusives LOL

MS put up a good fight, and pre-2009 it was the console of choice. Esxclusives were better, the price was more affordable, and in general it was a better console.

However post 2009, MS kind of gave up. All we see are Halo sequels, remakes, and prequels, Forza after Forza, and just the same few brands over and over. No more 3rd party or unique exclusives like Lost Odyssey, Too Human, or Tales of Vesperia, and the few new IP's are available on PC (e.g. Alan Wake).

 

Credit where credit is due.

Sony eventually came thrugh to the gamers, and 2009-201? PS3 is the best 7th gen system to have.
Ms did extremely well, giving itself a brand name, outpacing the PS3 upto the release of 8th gen consoles.
Nintendo really did well, going from 3rd to 1st, making AAA iterations of their best franchises (Mario Galaxy is arguably the best Mario 3D platformer, Skyward Sword, XenoBlade, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, etc, all among the best games Nintendo has ever made).


this post sums up what happened this gen nicely. this is exactly how it was.



MonstaMack said:
forevercloud3000 said:
MS came from nothing with this gen, Sony gambled hard this gen, this was the result. Seemingly, at least in the beginning, MS did everything right while Sony stumbled constantly. You can look at it either way....
-MS was able to really compete with their massive wealth and perfect advertising capabilities in an area completely dominated by Sony. Stealing massive market share and recognition in the States.
or
-It took Recession,constant and unrelenting bias of the media, frequent fumbling advert efforts, factory destroying Tsunami, a $600 price tag, and opponent year head start to even dent the Playstation brand. Yet it still stayed relevant when that amount of bad press would have sunk a lesser company eons ago.

And out of all of those I think the MOST damning of it all was the marketing/advertisement of the PS3. MS's was just so on point in every venue for the 360. Sony's was very hit and miss. Every PS3 blunder was made permanently public while massive ones for 360 were covered up very well. If Sony had the Marketing know how of MS(once upon a time they did), Playstation would still be "defacto" market leader.

I hope with PS4, they get that fire back. I will probably always root for them as I didn't truly become a gamer till Playstation :)

Hey I think your on point with your opinions, but the RROD was not covered up at all. At first MS balked at the idea of doing anything before the majority of people complained and demanded/fixes and refunds. MS spent over ONE BILLION  to take care of the situation and ended up making the 360 S to take care of future RROD problems, as well as offering several iterations of the original console via chipsets (Jasper, Vahalla, etc.) . 

The RROD fiasco was VERY public and most likely ended up hurting MS with future console sales. I'm sure people will say "Well most people went out and bought a new system anyways." while this may be the case for some people, I have a feeling if you couldn't afford a new console for sometime you were either going to save for a PS3 or forrget MS all together after the fiasco.

I'm sure people will think twice about buying a new xbox come next gen because of the RROD fiasco alone (I'll be buying mine at launch, but not without some sort of warranty).

Heres a link to the RROD write off that I could find http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9026340/Xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_costs_Microsoft_more_than_1B


I think he meant to say that had the RROD originated from Sony, their ability to sweep it under the carpet would have been much less efficient that Microsoft's.

I think all his points are valid. Any lesser company would have gone under after a PS3 like product but Sony was able to absorb the hit and live to tell the tale.

Next gen will be interesting though in the sense that Microsoft is in a significant better position than they were before the X360 and on the other hand, Sony is now aware it actually  has competitors so must fight back.



forevercloud3000 said:
MS came from nothing with this gen, Sony gambled hard this gen, this was the result. Seemingly, at least in the beginning, MS did everything right while Sony stumbled constantly. You can look at it either way....
-MS was able to really compete with their massive wealth and perfect advertising capabilities in an area completely dominated by Sony. Stealing massive market share and recognition in the States.
or
-It took Recession,constant and unrelenting bias of the media, frequent fumbling advert efforts, factory destroying Tsunami, a $600 price tag, and opponent year head start to even dent the Playstation brand. Yet it still stayed relevant when that amount of bad press would have sunk a lesser company eons ago.

And out of all of those I think the MOST damning of it all was the marketing/advertisement of the PS3. MS's was just so on point in every venue for the 360. Sony's was very hit and miss. Every PS3 blunder was made permanently public while massive ones for 360 were covered up very well. If Sony had the Marketing know how of MS(once upon a time they did), Playstation would still be "defacto" market leader.

I hope with PS4, they get that fire back. I will probably always root for them as I didn't truly become a gamer till Playstation :)

Its not that MS did everything right. Sony made a tremendous fuck up by putting out a $600. Sony chased their fans away which allowed Nintendo and MS to thrive. MS did things to steal fans from Sony, but Sony basically gave them away.

The Playstation brand was able to stay relevant because Sony was able to take billions and billions of losses. Most companies would have sunk simply because they couldn't afford to do that.

The 360 had much worse press due to the failure rate and other hardware issue. The masses wanted PS3s, but consumers went with the 360 because the hardware was significantly cheaper and it was getting better games.

If Sony left out Bluray and launched their console for $399, it would have been the market leader. Sony never proved Bluray was essential this gen and to make matters worse physical movie sales have dwindled.

In a nutshell, price was Sony's biggest mistake this gen. Everything else is negligible in comparison.



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Mr Puggsly said:
forevercloud3000 said:
MS came from nothing with this gen, Sony gambled hard this gen, this was the result. Seemingly, at least in the beginning, MS did everything right while Sony stumbled constantly. You can look at it either way....
-MS was able to really compete with their massive wealth and perfect advertising capabilities in an area completely dominated by Sony. Stealing massive market share and recognition in the States.
or
-It took Recession,constant and unrelenting bias of the media, frequent fumbling advert efforts, factory destroying Tsunami, a $600 price tag, and opponent year head start to even dent the Playstation brand. Yet it still stayed relevant when that amount of bad press would have sunk a lesser company eons ago.

And out of all of those I think the MOST damning of it all was the marketing/advertisement of the PS3. MS's was just so on point in every venue for the 360. Sony's was very hit and miss. Every PS3 blunder was made permanently public while massive ones for 360 were covered up very well. If Sony had the Marketing know how of MS(once upon a time they did), Playstation would still be "defacto" market leader.

I hope with PS4, they get that fire back. I will probably always root for them as I didn't truly become a gamer till Playstation :)

Its not that MS did everything right. Sony made a tremendous fuck up by putting out a $600. Sony chased their fans away which allowed Nintendo and MS to thrive. MS did things to steal fans from Sony, but Sony basically gave them away.

The Playstation brand was able to stay relevant because Sony was able to take billions and billions of losses. Most companies would have sunk simply because they couldn't afford to do that.

The 360 had much worse press due to the failure rate and other hardware issue. The masses wanted PS3s, but consumers went with the 360 because the hardware was significantly cheaper and it was getting better games.

If Sony left out Bluray and launched their console for $399, it would have been the market leader. Sony never proved Bluray was essential this gen and to make matters worse physical movie sales have dwindled.

In a nutshell, price was Sony's biggest mistake this gen. Everything else is negligible in comparison.

Sony was opperating under the idea that if you give "them" more they will see the value. This is not the case tho...at least in the US. The common consumer is looking at price mostly, and only the immediate rammifications of that price. PS3 was far better value in the long run. 360 appeared to be cheaper in the outset and the US consumer base abandoned Sony for that very reason. I always found it perplexing that 360 had so many "hidden" costs that would demanded after purchase yet the common consumer was devoid of this knowledge. This is Sony's biggest problem of late. They SUCK at letting people know what they really have over the competition, and letting the consumers know of its greatest possibilities. MS is very good at it and took total advantage of Sony's weakness. I don't dispute what you are saying, I would just like to state a few key factors that make all the difference....

-BluRay might have truely changed gaming....if DVD wasn't holding it back every step of the way. DLC also would be very different. Now that WiiU has a BR rip off, and MS will have to use BR or an equavalent as well, we will finally see Sony's idea for the format come to fruition...at least for games.

-BluRay/DVD movie sales are not surprising when you think of the rate that all electronic media is being pirated beyond belief these days cuz its just so easy to do. Also....recession effects how much ppl will b willing to go out and buy what they know they can really get for free.

-MS's issues never were fully realized to it's fanbase. It took YEARS of supposed massive console failures for them to even admit there was a problem. The level of press on it initially was almost non existant. I worked at Gamestop for 3 years durin the beginning of this gen and I would say 90% of 360 owners were totally unaware there were global problems with the consoles and thought it was just theirs. That is why they relished in the fact MS would provide them with a brand new system if it died.....so to many that was a bi PLUS and not a negative. Going into next gen I think ppl are less oblivious to it now and it might be a deciding factor on which console some consumers get.

-Sony actually didn't make to many blatent fuck ups, it is how the press/media interpretted them. Every slight shortcoming...and even some percievably good things were manipulated and portrayed as the worst of the worst. $599 for a gaming console....for what it was it was a steal, and no one realized how much CHEAPER it actually was than 360 and Wii(Both formed an entire market of having to buy proprietary peripherals just to get basic enjoyment out if the console;rechargable batteries, PR HDDs, Wii Fit,Motion Plus etc, etc). The year later launch was a huge dash against Sony in the press, led by MS's "We were here FIRST" campaign when the rush to be first is what got MS in the RROD issue in the first place. We all know now that if you put the consoles side by side year wise, PS3 beat it handidly. A blatent fuck up would b how Sony handled the hacking, yet I am a firm conspiracy theorist who thinks MS might have bn behind that lol :P



  

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sunK1D said:
MonstaMack said:
forevercloud3000 said:
MS came from nothing with this gen, Sony gambled hard this gen, this was the result. Seemingly, at least in the beginning, MS did everything right while Sony stumbled constantly. You can look at it either way....
-MS was able to really compete with their massive wealth and perfect advertising capabilities in an area completely dominated by Sony. Stealing massive market share and recognition in the States.
or
-It took Recession,constant and unrelenting bias of the media, frequent fumbling advert efforts, factory destroying Tsunami, a $600 price tag, and opponent year head start to even dent the Playstation brand. Yet it still stayed relevant when that amount of bad press would have sunk a lesser company eons ago.

And out of all of those I think the MOST damning of it all was the marketing/advertisement of the PS3. MS's was just so on point in every venue for the 360. Sony's was very hit and miss. Every PS3 blunder was made permanently public while massive ones for 360 were covered up very well. If Sony had the Marketing know how of MS(once upon a time they did), Playstation would still be "defacto" market leader.

I hope with PS4, they get that fire back. I will probably always root for them as I didn't truly become a gamer till Playstation :)

Hey I think your on point with your opinions, but the RROD was not covered up at all. At first MS balked at the idea of doing anything before the majority of people complained and demanded/fixes and refunds. MS spent over ONE BILLION  to take care of the situation and ended up making the 360 S to take care of future RROD problems, as well as offering several iterations of the original console via chipsets (Jasper, Vahalla, etc.) . 

The RROD fiasco was VERY public and most likely ended up hurting MS with future console sales. I'm sure people will say "Well most people went out and bought a new system anyways." while this may be the case for some people, I have a feeling if you couldn't afford a new console for sometime you were either going to save for a PS3 or forrget MS all together after the fiasco.

I'm sure people will think twice about buying a new xbox come next gen because of the RROD fiasco alone (I'll be buying mine at launch, but not without some sort of warranty).

Heres a link to the RROD write off that I could find http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9026340/Xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_costs_Microsoft_more_than_1B


I think he meant to say that had the RROD originated from Sony, their ability to sweep it under the carpet would have been much less efficient that Microsoft's.

I think all his points are valid. Any lesser company would have gone under after a PS3 like product but Sony was able to absorb the hit and live to tell the tale.

Next gen will be interesting though in the sense that Microsoft is in a significant better position than they were before the X360 and on the other hand, Sony is now aware it actually  has competitors so must fight back.

Correcto



  

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I just want to ask something because I've always used VGChartz as a reference for sales but have never always agreed with them. Do VGChartz numbers get adjusted in accordance with official shipped numbers, NPD or Media Create? If so, what do they use to adjust the European numbers by? I know that NIntendo use a particular company in Europe but I can't remember their name. I ask this because I'm constantly telling people that this is what VGChartz do and it's why -- although they can be out a lot 'during' the month -- they tend to be reasonably accurate every month, if you can see what I mean. Am I right?



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forevercloud3000 said:

Sony was opperating under the idea that if you give "them" more they will see the value. This is not the case tho...at least in the US. The common consumer is looking at price mostly, and only the immediate rammifications of that price. PS3 was far better value in the long run. 360 appeared to be cheaper in the outset and the US consumer base abandoned Sony for that very reason. I always found it perplexing that 360 had so many "hidden" costs that would demanded after purchase yet the common consumer was devoid of this knowledge. This is Sony's biggest problem of late. They SUCK at letting people know what they really have over the competition, and letting the consumers know of its greatest possibilities. MS is very good at it and took total advantage of Sony's weakness. I don't dispute what you are saying, I would just like to state a few key factors that make all the difference....

-BluRay might have truely changed gaming....if DVD wasn't holding it back every step of the way. DLC also would be very different. Now that WiiU has a BR rip off, and MS will have to use BR or an equavalent as well, we will finally see Sony's idea for the format come to fruition...at least for games.

-BluRay/DVD movie sales are not surprising when you think of the rate that all electronic media is being pirated beyond belief these days cuz its just so easy to do. Also....recession effects how much ppl will b willing to go out and buy what they know they can really get for free.

-MS's issues never were fully realized to it's fanbase. It took YEARS of supposed massive console failures for them to even admit there was a problem. The level of press on it initially was almost non existant. I worked at Gamestop for 3 years durin the beginning of this gen and I would say 90% of 360 owners were totally unaware there were global problems with the consoles and thought it was just theirs. That is why they relished in the fact MS would provide them with a brand new system if it died.....so to many that was a bi PLUS and not a negative. Going into next gen I think ppl are less oblivious to it now and it might be a deciding factor on which console some consumers get.

-Sony actually didn't make to many blatent fuck ups, it is how the press/media interpretted them. Every slight shortcoming...and even some percievably good things were manipulated and portrayed as the worst of the worst. $599 for a gaming console....for what it was it was a steal, and no one realized how much CHEAPER it actually was than 360 and Wii(Both formed an entire market of having to buy proprietary peripherals just to get basic enjoyment out if the console;rechargable batteries, PR HDDs, Wii Fit,Motion Plus etc, etc). The year later launch was a huge dash against Sony in the press, led by MS's "We were here FIRST" campaign when the rush to be first is what got MS in the RROD issue in the first place. We all know now that if you put the consoles side by side year wise, PS3 beat it handidly. A blatent fuck up would b how Sony handled the hacking, yet I am a firm conspiracy theorist who thinks MS might have bn behind that lol :P

"Sony was opperating under the idea that if you give "them" more they will see the value. This is not the case tho...at least in the US."

At least not in the US? The 360 isn't exactly doing horrible in Europe. Japan primarily went with PS3 because it has exclusives that appeal to them (JRPGs).

 

The common consumer just wants a reasonably priced piece of hardware that plays games (offline games in particular). You talk about hidden costs and I presume you're referring to Xbox Live Gold. Bear in mind a large percentage of the market doesn't even connect their console(s) to the internet and an even smaller number actually cares about online gaming. So for most of the market online gaming is a non-factor.

You can't blame DVDs for holding Bluray back. You should blame Sony for not releasing a single game that showed why Bluray was essential for their platform. I think MS may actually use Bluray next gen simply because the technology is cheap now. If they don't it doesn't really matter. Bluray players are going for as little as $50 now.

Piracy is to blame for movie sales being down. I imagine rental machines are having a huge impact as well. Staying at home and watching dirt cheap streaming services may also be having an impact as well. Sony bet on Bluray with no consideration of what was coming in just a few years.

Many 360 users eventually became savvy about the old consoles being garbage. But MS spent over a billion dollars repairing consoles. In fact, the replacement was so appealing I recall people wishing their console would break. The Xbox S units don't seem to have any real issues. So are you still gonna dwell on that because I think MS already made good on it.

You keep talking value, but at this point I think its clear consumers don't mind paying more if its over a prolonged period of time. Which is why MS created the $99* Xbox 360 plan. Which I presume many are gonna take advantage of next gen.



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