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Somini on 12 January 2013
slowmo said:
pezus said:
slowmo said:
Carl2291 said:
slowmo said:

If you want to try and insult people and be uncivil, don't be surprised when people ignore you.  Your comparison is still pathetic.

I wasnt insulting you, but if you want to come up with ludicrous statements and ideas just so your preference can win, then dont be surprised when people call you out on it.

Whats pathetic is suggesting we ignore the 2nd largest videogame market just because one console sells like shit.


So you at least conceded that the 360 outsells the PS3 every year without Japan, even if its ludicrous?  That was my point, nothing more or less.  Japan is the only reason this happened.  Its not about winning or losing, its about understanding why this occurred.  The 360 has 7% market share there while the PS3 has 23% in NA.  Japan is clearly massively skewed compared to the rest of the world and its that region alone which made the difference this gen.  I'm not asking he removed them for a comparison to say the 360 won, it was so when you look at the figures without Japan its clear to see that their is no massive extra demand globally for the PS3, they've been very similar outside of Japan.  

Actually, you're wrong...PS3 outsold 360 even in 2012, 2009 without Japan. Amazing, no? 

Why are you also ignoring the "others" region where PS3 also dominates 360?

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  


Ignoring Japan and counting the US is just wrong however you try to explain it.



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NintendoPie on 12 January 2013
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.



Nsanity on 12 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.



slowmo on 12 January 2013
Nsanity said:
NintendoPie said:
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.


Just don't bother, I'm done with this thread.  Full of straw men with a inability to debate. 



Somini on 12 January 2013
Nsanity said:
NintendoPie said:
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.

Just as obvious as the reason why the PS3 can't outsell the 360 in the US.



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Nsanity on 12 January 2013
Somini said:
Nsanity said:
NintendoPie said:
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.

Just as obvious as the reason why the PS3 can't outsell the 360 in the US.

Except the PS3 as well as its predecessors have sold millions of software and hardware in the US.



NintendoPie on 12 January 2013
Nsanity said:

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.

That still doesn't justify people trying to say Japan shouldn't count because it gives the edge to a certain console.



Somini on 12 January 2013
Nsanity said:
Somini said:
Nsanity said:
NintendoPie said:
slowmo said:

So it outsold it for the other 5 years, doesn't really change my point which you side stepped because I was right.

In others the PS3 outsells by a fair margin it is comparable with the reverse in the US.  Whether you like it or not Japan is the difference between the 2 consoles, pure and simple.  I didn't say ignore where the PS3 sells well, I pointed out one regions clear dislike of the Xbox brand which is a completely different trend to the rest of the globe that skews the figures.  

Well then Microsoft should work on Japan to try to get them interested.

It's not Sony's fault that their console is actually performing good in Japan. You can't just count out a region because it "skews" numbers.

360 will never succed in japan for obvious reasons.

Just as obvious as the reason why the PS3 can't outsell the 360 in the US.

Except the PS3 as well as its predecessors have sold millions of software and hardware in the US.

... Back when there was no Xbox around. The first Xbox launched after the PS2 had and many people had friends with PS2's already. Still the Xbox sold better in the US, the hometurf advantage, compared to the other territories.



logic56 on 12 January 2013
enrageorange said:
RenderMonk said:

So I was reviewing the VGChartz yearly Hardware sales , and Worldwide, Sony's PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360 Every single year except for 2006 and 2009!! That means 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 all belong to PS3 as the worlwide leader in console sales. You can say want you want about the 360 and North America, but bottom line is how many consoles the company has sold through out the world....and Sony has done better at that, clearly! Seven years of both systems being available on the market and Sony's platform did out performed 5 of the 7 years.

I only looked it up because I've been watching the weekly global numbers for months on end now, and all except the special holiday sales times, Sony consistenly outsold Microsoft. And sure enough, after checking the yearly hardware numbers....it's just no contest. And I know it's been said before, but the extra year on the market for the 360 doesn't make a difference in the end.

 

So while it's been a rough generation for Sony as far as PERCEPTION goes....in reality Sony knows they continue to lead the gaming market, not Microsoft. Now in 2013, if the rumors are true, both consoles will ship practically side by side......Sony knows they are about to take the lead for this furture generation again, but this time with the PERCEPTION of leading, as well as actually leading.

You mean nintendo has been leading the hardware market every year but 2011 and 2012, and to be fair Microsoft's sales compared to Sony's were within Vgchartz's margin of error in 2011. 

And if we want to talk about swinging momentem. Lets compare consoles to their predessessors. 24mil->80mil+ for the 360. 155mil->80mil+ for the PS3. 20mil->100mil+ for the Wii.

Logically one would think that Microsoft and Nintendo continue expanding and Sony continues declining. But wait Nintendo consoles were declining every generation until the Wii came out? Could that mean that console sales depend on the console the company provides and not the actual company. So I guess we are going to have to wait and see what sony and microsoft release before making those bold predictions.

I think someone needs to find the definition of "momentum"



GameAnalyser on 12 January 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
GameAnalyser said:
kain_kusanagi said:
pezus said:
It's 2008 actually, not 2009. PS3 whooped 360 in 2009 because of the slim


Define "whooped". I'm looking at two consoles with nearly the same totals yet ging into this gen SOny completely dominated the previous two generations. The Wii and the 360 knocked the King of his hill. The PS3 has made a great partial comeback, but the Playstation brand is not THE gaming icon it used to be. MS has secured it's place and the next generation will be even more competitive.

If we were talking about football teams I don't think anyone would be celebrates a win between two wild card teams that didn't make it to the Superbowl.

Not the gaming icon as PS2, but still a strong brand worldwide. Prove me wrong. SNES domination declined to N64 and Gamecube's level for Nintendo only to be reinvited to the same spot with Wii glory. But the Wii U worries me. But it's too early to make any predictions. PS3 is still selling better than 360 on a worldwide level. Prove me wrong. So believing 360 has sealed or stole the second place this gen and it's time to move on by turning a blind eye doesn't change anything for the playstation brand yet, but maybe for the XBOX brand which needs a successor quite soon. But I'm yet to see how MS will continue to add support to 360, but once '720' is launched, I feel MS will stop developing titles, let alone arcade ones for it, sooner than expected to get the better chunk of the business drive.

Marathon runners and  Sprinters have a common motive " Win the Race". Who wants to deny that?


What a bunch of nonsense and spin.

PSX =  Winner

PS2 = Winner

PS3 =  Loser

The PS3 took the entire generation to barely outsell the Xbox 360 and it will never beat the Wii. The Playstation brand is half what it used to be. During the last two generation if you wanted to play the best games you had to have a PS1 and then a PS2. But this gen people decided they didn't need a PS3 because they were happy with their Xbox 360 or Wii. The Playstation brand has fallen a long way while the Xbox brand has seen a huge increase in popularity.

As for the Nextbox. Who care if MS supports the 360 after the Nextbox is released? New games on the newest consoles are much more appealing than games on an old console. I stopped buying PS2 games after the next gen started. Just because it was still supported doesn't mean any of it was worth buying.

As you accept the well known fact that both PSX and PS2 were clear winners in their respective generations, it's also important to keep in mind how their competitors had lost out to the market. By not being able to sell through 30 mn+ and being discontinued earlier in their cycle. N 64 was an exception, but it performed relatively poor to PSX,(32.9 mn sold to 102.49 mn). You can tag them as losers, but when PS3 is tagged, we're at a dispute. PS3 sells, outpaces others including current gen Wii U on a worldwide level and continues to be shipped. Of course, in a competitive market you are bound to gain or lose a bit, but failing to sell any shipped goods at all is an issue.

When you stopped PS2 gaming, things around didn't change for the better yet,  there were probably many others who still picked up one and began mashing buttons on the dualshock, obliging Sony to support it longer than expected into the seventh gen. FYI - It just got discontinued a few days ago when shipping ceased in Japan. http://www.destructoid.com/end-of-an-era-ps2-stops-shipping-in-japan-241393.phtml 

"Who cares if MS support the 360 after Nextbox is released?" Well, the emerging markets like Brazil and other parts of Asia do, where the HD consoles have only begun picking up steam since 2010.   It would simply be unfair not to mention a minority of current 360 fan base from the major international markets looking forward to it as well. MS would definitely continue to regard them with new Kinect titles, arcade ones and continued XBL service, but how long we can’t know yet as of now. As I mentioned, it’s better if they genuinely focused on NextBox for the better business drive.