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Dgc1808 on 11 January 2013

One could make the same thread about MS and SONY. Just accept it and move on.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 11 January 2013
BluGamer23 said:
melbye said:
It is funny how many people regress into little children when talking about Nintendo, especially those who acts like Nintendo killed their mother or something


HAHA this is so true as with the Bayonetta 2 example.. I could not believe even with the so called professional game journalist crying murder!! for Nintendo taking their game!.. funniest thing to watch!..

I truly hope there are more of these types of scenario in future wiiU releases where a game gets exclusive on the wiiU... fun times ahead!


What Journalist would cry over any Platinum Games title? Any exclusive Platinum Games title is a death sentence to its sales. Their games are incredibly niche such a new company. You would think they would try to come up with ways to be relevant outside of 90-2000's era Japanese arcade style gaming with generic characters and decent arcade style action.



Bruxel on 11 January 2013

labels... DKCR is hardcore. Lol the game is not easy



 

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DanneSandin on 11 January 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The problem is partially Nintendos fault and it can have many factors:

- Kiddy image: Microsofts statement that gamers grow up with Nintendo but will graduate to other consoles.
- Not being worried about western means of what makes a game next gen like powerful processors. Being behind hinders third parties in the west from wanting to make games for them on par with the competition.
- The advent of Xbox Live and the Playstation network for the competitive gamer.
- The third party drought that has been going onfor twenty years since the Playstation first arrived. Half the reason the N64 & Gamecube didnt sell that well.
- Nintendo has given up on going head to head with the competition, so they go around them. Even this gen, thats what they are doing.
- Nintendo wont drop the family image they hold onto. Nintendo is a traditionally family company and those who buy their product need to be realistic and realize that. They let the third parties and former second parties do the dirty games for them.
- They refuse to share the playing field with their gamers whom have grown up. No relatable first party for older players. If they want to get that, they have to go to third party. Where as with Sony you get both kiddy, teen and mature characters all in one breath. They refuse to grow up with the older gamers who grew with them. 


Nintendo holds a place in all of our hearts, but the problem with Nintendo is an internal one. They chose not to pander to the casuals and for that they will sell half of what the Wii Sold. They need to learn how to satisfy both markets from the start.

This is all very legit reasons and something Nintendo should look in to! Just look at Disney; THE most family oriented company of, like, all time! And still they're catering to all kinds of tastes. Nintendo should really try and learn from Disney.



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Soundwave on 11 January 2013
melbye said:
Soundwave said:
BluGamer23 said:
Soundwave said:

They can't pander to casuals even if they wanted to anymore. I think they've lost touch with that crowd.

That crowd has gone to Apple, and casuals are fickle, they stay with one trend for a while and then move on.

They're the girl at the nightclub who's hot, but she's only up for a one night stand, then she's tired of you and moves on to the next exciting thing. Plus the guy she really wants isn't you but the big-wig doctor (Apple).

Nintendo is the one who's stuck at the nightclub the following Friday waiting for her to show up, but she's a no show.

So now they have to cater to us, the core players (the girl that'll always be there for them, lol).

Ever since Wii Music, they really have not be able to duplicate the initial success there of Brain Training/Nintendogs/Wii Sports/Wii Fit. They talked about that vitality sensor thing but it went no where.

Wii Fit in 2007/08 is really the last monstrous new casual hit they created, and that's more than 4 years ago now. Maybe it's coincidence but since the summer 2007 iPhone launch they have not created a big new hit casual gamer IP outside of Tomadachi Collection, which is really a Japan-only type thing. 

Dafuq? .. LOL  

so your are saying the hardcores are the boring ones that you pick up and becomes obsessed with you and already starts planning your marriage after the first date? uhm..........

I hate those types girls!.. no wonder hardcores are whiny obsessive little bitches!.. they cry when they dont get enough attention and its all about ME ME ME! .. LOL

(I think this anology is not working out well for you man.. LOL.. like i said you guys are fun!) =)


Hardcore gamers are loyal, they stick around, so yeah, they're the girl that will be there for you and wants a long term relationship. She's cute though. 

Casual gamers ... they're the party girl. She likes to have fun, she's hot, superficial, and gets hit on by a 100 guys every night at the bar. No way she'd ever settle down with you. 

Nintendo is the guy looking for a relationship though. They were banking on the party girl settling down and falling in love with them, and now are left abandoned by her, and the loyal girl is mad at him too, lol. 

It was great while it lasted for Nintendo (those profits in 2007-2009), but now I think they're coming back to reality. 


But after being rejected by the girl who wanted a relationship twice because he wasn't rich enough no wonder he goes after the party girl that actually gave him some attention even though it didn't last

To be fair though Nintendo honestly is the one that alienated core players with their own stupidity. Choosing cartridges over CDs basically was a big F-you to the entire third party community and consumers too ($70-$80 games?). And the GameCube was kinda half hearted in a lot of ways (Super Mario Sunshine? Where's Mario 64-2? Losing Rare entirely and replacing them with ... nothing?) too. 

Core players never abandoned Nintendo willingly IMO, they were forced to Sony in a lot of ways because of what Nintendo did by basically cutting Capcom, Konami, Squaresoft, Enix, and many others from the N64. 



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Soundwave on 11 January 2013
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The problem is partially Nintendos fault and it can have many factors:

- Kiddy image: Microsofts statement that gamers grow up with Nintendo but will graduate to other consoles.
- Not being worried about western means of what makes a game next gen like powerful processors. Being behind hinders third parties in the west from wanting to make games for them on par with the competition.
- The advent of Xbox Live and the Playstation network for the competitive gamer.
- The third party drought that has been going onfor twenty years since the Playstation first arrived. Half the reason the N64 & Gamecube didnt sell that well.
- Nintendo has given up on going head to head with the competition, so they go around them. Even this gen, thats what they are doing.
- Nintendo wont drop the family image they hold onto. Nintendo is a traditionally family company and those who buy their product need to be realistic and realize that. They let the third parties and former second parties do the dirty games for them.
- They refuse to share the playing field with their gamers whom have grown up. No relatable first party for older players. If they want to get that, they have to go to third party. Where as with Sony you get both kiddy, teen and mature characters all in one breath. They refuse to grow up with the older gamers who grew with them. 


Nintendo holds a place in all of our hearts, but the problem with Nintendo is an internal one. They chose not to pander to the casuals and for that they will sell half of what the Wii Sold. They need to learn how to satisfy both markets from the start.

This is all very legit reasons and something Nintendo should look in to! Just look at Disney; THE most family oriented company of, like, all time! And still they're catering to all kinds of tastes. Nintendo should really try and learn from Disney.


If Nintendo stock ever got low enough, I wouldn't be shocked if Disney tried to buy a big chunk of Nintendo shares. 

They seem to be on a buy-out binge lately. 



DanneSandin on 11 January 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Obviously people are going to favor one company or one console over another. That's inevitable.

But I have been struck by the amount of venom directed at Nintendo on sites like IGN and GameSpot, and even here where posters are infinitely more intelligent and more reasonable.

I would really like to get to the heart of the issue. And I don't think it's just because of the success of Wii, which I imagine rubs many video game players the wrong way since the Wii succeeded by winning over the hearts and minds of "amateur" video game players. In other words, the Wii won because it embraced everything video game hardware and software should NOT be.

But the issue is older than that. SNES, however great, was usually considered the less "cool" system. N64 darkened in the shadow of PS1. And GCN was a punchline. So Nintendo has been mocked for about 20 years, for being "kiddy," for being "out of touch," and, most recently, for inviting in a group of novice fans unworthy of membership in the brotherhood of video game veterans.

So why do some people despise Nintendo? Two reasons, I think. One is elitism, which teaches that Nintendo games and fans are part of a lower social strata. And the other is custom: people hate Nintendo because it is fashionable to hate Nintendo.

I would suggest this to those that spend a disproportionate amount of time belittling Nintendo and it's fans: use that time and energy to rent and play a few Nintendo games; you might actually like them.

Yeah, the Nintendo hate is pretty wide spread, and totally unjust! The Wii is a great console, because it's so simple! They should make more consoles like that; easy to use, easy to understand. That's what Nintendo does best! Just look at the original NES; up, down, left and right, A, B and Paus. That's easy. As easy as pie! The Wii was almost point, then click. As simple as can be!



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DanneSandin on 11 January 2013
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The problem is partially Nintendos fault and it can have many factors:

- Kiddy image: Microsofts statement that gamers grow up with Nintendo but will graduate to other consoles.
- Not being worried about western means of what makes a game next gen like powerful processors. Being behind hinders third parties in the west from wanting to make games for them on par with the competition.
- The advent of Xbox Live and the Playstation network for the competitive gamer.
- The third party drought that has been going onfor twenty years since the Playstation first arrived. Half the reason the N64 & Gamecube didnt sell that well.
- Nintendo has given up on going head to head with the competition, so they go around them. Even this gen, thats what they are doing.
- Nintendo wont drop the family image they hold onto. Nintendo is a traditionally family company and those who buy their product need to be realistic and realize that. They let the third parties and former second parties do the dirty games for them.
- They refuse to share the playing field with their gamers whom have grown up. No relatable first party for older players. If they want to get that, they have to go to third party. Where as with Sony you get both kiddy, teen and mature characters all in one breath. They refuse to grow up with the older gamers who grew with them. 


Nintendo holds a place in all of our hearts, but the problem with Nintendo is an internal one. They chose not to pander to the casuals and for that they will sell half of what the Wii Sold. They need to learn how to satisfy both markets from the start.

This is all very legit reasons and something Nintendo should look in to! Just look at Disney; THE most family oriented company of, like, all time! And still they're catering to all kinds of tastes. Nintendo should really try and learn from Disney.


If Nintendo stock ever got low enough, I wouldn't be shocked if Disney tried to buy a big chunk of Nintendo shares. 

They seem to be on a buy-out binge lately. 

And that would never turn out well for Nintendo. They need to do their own thing with out having someone watching over their shoulder. What they should learn from Disney is that you CAN catter to "kids" and "grown ups"



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

S.T.A.G.E. on 11 January 2013
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The problem is partially Nintendos fault and it can have many factors:

- Kiddy image: Microsofts statement that gamers grow up with Nintendo but will graduate to other consoles.
- Not being worried about western means of what makes a game next gen like powerful processors. Being behind hinders third parties in the west from wanting to make games for them on par with the competition.
- The advent of Xbox Live and the Playstation network for the competitive gamer.
- The third party drought that has been going onfor twenty years since the Playstation first arrived. Half the reason the N64 & Gamecube didnt sell that well.
- Nintendo has given up on going head to head with the competition, so they go around them. Even this gen, thats what they are doing.
- Nintendo wont drop the family image they hold onto. Nintendo is a traditionally family company and those who buy their product need to be realistic and realize that. They let the third parties and former second parties do the dirty games for them.
- They refuse to share the playing field with their gamers whom have grown up. No relatable first party for older players. If they want to get that, they have to go to third party. Where as with Sony you get both kiddy, teen and mature characters all in one breath. They refuse to grow up with the older gamers who grew with them. 


Nintendo holds a place in all of our hearts, but the problem with Nintendo is an internal one. They chose not to pander to the casuals and for that they will sell half of what the Wii Sold. They need to learn how to satisfy both markets from the start.

This is all very legit reasons and something Nintendo should look in to! Just look at Disney; THE most family oriented company of, like, all time! And still they're catering to all kinds of tastes. Nintendo should really try and learn from Disney.


If Nintendo stock ever got low enough, I wouldn't be shocked if Disney tried to buy a big chunk of Nintendo shares. 

They seem to be on a buy-out binge lately. 


A Nintendoland at Disney Would fit right in. Mario and Mickey in harmony and it would work. Same crowd, I approve of this.



DanneSandin on 11 January 2013
Soundwave said:

To be fair though Nintendo honestly is the one that alienated core players with their own stupidity. Choosing cartridges over CDs basically was a big F-you to the entire third party community and consumers too ($70-$80 games?). And the GameCube was kinda half hearted in a lot of ways (Super Mario Sunshine? Where's Mario 64-2? Losing Rare entirely and replacing them with ... nothing?) too. 

Core players never abandoned Nintendo willingly IMO, they were forced to Sony in a lot of ways because of what Nintendo did by basically cutting Capcom, Konami, Squaresoft, Enix, and many others from the N64. 

This is also very true! Had they treated 3rd parties better during the NES/SNES era and gone with CD-based games Sony would never have risen like they did and Nintendo would have been king the whole 90's.



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