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Will the Wii U have the endurance of the HD consoles?

Yes 32 36.78%
 
No 55 63.22%
 
Total:87

Nintendo better hope the Wii U is not a sprinter like Wii or they are in major trouble, as the sales now aren't even that great.

But that said, I see the Wii U as having more of a traditional curve and be more of a slow burner, not the explosive one like the Wii had, that flatlined. Reasons being, the horsepower is no longer noticably worse, and I also feel that third parties will give it more support, albiet not much more. I also think, or at least I hope Nintendo learned from the Wii and will support it with more than 2 or 3 major games in the console's last couple years. Finally, the price is higher than Wii started at, so Nintendo has more room to drop the price and boost sales a bit more.

Wii U will almost certainly not reach 100 million like Wii, but I still see it reaching in the ballpark of 70 million. Respectable, but not great. It will be the SNES was  to the NES; not the phenomenon the NES/Wii were, but like the SNES, will have a stronger and more diverse library when it's all said and done, and more of a core following.



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Busted said:
I thought it was a videogame console...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...thank you for that laugh I choked on my water.

In all honesty, neither. It's going to run 6 years. Nintendo will try to make it run the farthest it can in that time period and then release its successor to take over. 

It's what they've always done.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

Time will tell if it's a sprinter or a Marathon runner, we just don't have enough information to classify it as either at this time.



Soundwave said:
osed125 said:
Soundwave said:
The PS3/360 were future proofed because of their bleeding edge specs for the time.

They were bred to be marathon runners.

Wii U is definitely not that. It needed a good start much moreso.

Imo the games will decided that, not the graphical advantages. 


Even if that were true, which I don't think is entirely accurate (games like CoD, BioShock, Battlefield, etc. would not be the same experience on lesser hardware), Nintendo is out of luck here because third parties don't give two hoots about them. 

And Nintendo is somewhat their own worst enemey here because they refuse to let go of the Mario/Zelda/DK/Pokemon safety blanket. Are they willing to invest real marketing and development dollars on an IP to attract new audiences now that the casual gaming bubble looks to have burst for them?

We'll see. 


Do what you think is right so they could repeat the awesome loss producing records of PS3 and Xbox360?  Give up on their own money making franchises so 3rd party could sell to a broader market base at their loss?  Why does the gaming world need a PS4 and Xbox720 clone?  

And if they did invest an an IP that competed directly with the 3rd parties, now they would come?  Waited on the Wii U even longer so 3rd parties could bring their next annual installments onto 3 platforms or fork over serious money to make one of those exclusive?  Why?  

Nintendo occupies the biggest portion of gaming pie that is clearly evident (see the Pacman?).  Wii U being a year or two ahead of the HDTwins is a perfect marketing strategy to keep Nintendo's piece of pie all to themselves.  Study for your own benefit, that the HDTwin market is a zero sum gain.  They both pushed each other beyond the realm of profitability, if they endeavered to start 8th gen the same way, then history is bound to repeat itself that Nintendo would be able to slash Wii U price and coast into profitability on the backs of their strong handheld market.  

HDTwins can push harder and really at the end of the day, it just becomes more obvious they are budget PCs.  Now if they go the smartphone route and subsidize from anticipated software revenue, maybe they can afford to turn them into midrange PCs.  The higer end they push, the more consolidation will take place, and your 3rd parties become the same few annual installments you see every year.  Innovation will find its way on cheaper platforms, Minecraft, Angrybirds, Etc.  Just by choosing not to get in the goring bloodbath with the HDTwins, Nintendo will be in a good position to adapt itself to the new gaming world.

Sony's PSPGo, ViTa, countless hybrid gaming, tablet devices have all flopped, proving cutting edge graphics is a costly and unsustainable strategy to maintain BROADLY.  Nintendo will be well served to not follow Sony's footsteps, and definitely do not engage in any headon battle with MSFT, where they have proven for 15 years, they WILL spend heavily to go after a market, not to grow it, but to wreck it.

1. Blackberry vs Window phones....both lost 

2. iPod vs Zunes.....saturated

3. Xbox360 vs Ps3.......PS2 heair apparent sabotage and platform selling exclusives turned multiplatform

4. iPhone vs well MSFT got smart and didnt try too hard here

5. iPad vs MsFt Surface, Apple Store vs MSFT Store....never the best, but will spend dough to copy you tit for tat.

Nintendo's $10 billion in cash is nothing compared with what a monopoly in OS can generate year after year.  Apple survived MSFt by innovating away from them.  Where you see MSFT, you see stagnant growth and cutthroat competition.  As a gaming fan, last thing I want to see is MSFT taking down Nintendo and Sony.  Unlike Apple, whose Steve Jobs era passion for perfection pushed them better.  MSFT's penchant for mediocrity and uniformity would KILL all that is wonderful about gaming.  



The WiiU is going to have a very tough time when the new consoles come out. Casual gamers looking for a cheap HD console will gravitate towards PS360, while the hardcore games who want the best tech will go towards the PS4 and 720. 3rd Parties will almost definitely ignore the WiiU and focus on the next consoles from Sony and MS. Like the N64 this is going to be carried by Nintendo 1st party titles, which means mainly Nintendo gamers will buy the system.



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Nintendo should've made the wii u nothing more than a newer, shinier wii (which it is if you remove the goddamned gamepad...outside of navigating the home screens I have yet to use the damn thing and pretty much stick with the wiimote whenever feasable...not that I've used the damn machine much anyway....I can see their logic they wanted to design something that would appeal to the ipad generation and-mebbe- the ds crowd as well, but I really wish they'd focussed on making the machine itself more powerful instead...I only bought the damn thing out of habit and I was on holiday and bored at the time but since I aquired my wii u, I've spent more time catching up on ps3 games)

any way on topic, I think the wii u is neither. the wii u is doa and dtm (dead to me). I agree that they've tried to appease too many different types of gamers, without really appealing to any particular group and I doubt it will sell at all. While I honestly think it's too early to tell it's just a feeling I get lately. It's quite rare for lightening to strike twice. Noone (harldy) seems satisfied with the thing and if you can't at least please your core fanbase, how the hell can you achieve anything? I'm starting to agree with people of the opinion that nintendo should become software developers (mind you, I've always been cool with the concept as it would be more convenient to me as a games consumer) or at the least stick to handhelds which seems to be the only thing they're good at (although the 3ds came close to ruining them as well) . Maybe I'm wrong though and all the negativity is getting to me. I really don't know anymore but my days of believing the mighty n shat gold were over for me about 5 years ago (yet I still persist in buying their products...go figure)



I think it will be a sprinter, but I think it won't start sprinting until next year. When games start launching, I believe it will begin it's very topheavy sales run.

Here is the thing that I think is holding the Wii U back right now. When the Wii was getting ready to launch, it wasn't this big thing among Mom's and grandparents, they really didn't know about it. Gamer's knew about it because of the most hotly anticipated Zelda game in years was launching on it, along with this new motion idea. As ironic as it is, core gamers got the Wii off the ground. I bought a Wii when it was released and showed it to my extended family, and four months later, there were 5 Wii's among the family, but the key point is that it was adopted by gamers first, who then kinda spread the fad. No gamer really wants or needs the Wii U right now. It has no big first party Nintendo game, it tries to have it's own Wii sports, but ultimately fails at showing off what the system can do. You add these together and you have quite the confusing proposition.

Next year, the Wii U could go one of two ways as I see it:

1. Big first party releases around the fall, price drop, gamers start to pick it up, it starts to catch on a bit in the casual crowd.

2. Barren release schedule, overshadowed by PS4 720, a few Nintendo faithful buy. In this scenario, a price drop wouldn't do anything.


If the second option occurs, then Nintendo might be in some really big trouble.




Mensrea said:
I think it will be a sprinter, but I think it won't start sprinting until next year. When games start launching, I believe it will begin it's very topheavy sales run.

Here is the thing that I think is holding the Wii U back right now. When the Wii was getting ready to launch, it wasn't this big thing among Mom's and grandparents, they really didn't know about it. Gamer's knew about it because of the most hotly anticipated Zelda game in years was launching on it, along with this new motion idea. As ironic as it is, core gamers got the Wii off the ground. I bought a Wii when it was released and showed it to my extended family, and four months later, there were 5 Wii's among the family, but the key point is that it was adopted by gamers first, who then kinda spread the fad. No gamer really wants or needs the Wii U right now. It has no big first party Nintendo game, it tries to have it's own Wii sports, but ultimately fails at showing off what the system can do. You add these together and you have quite the confusing proposition.


I disagree about the Wii. I think plenty of casual gamers bought the Wii without support from the core. At least that was the case from my experience. Wii sports was quite often the sole selling point for many people. After they played that, they decided the system was worth it.

Nintendo has 6 year console cycles. They have expressed 0 interest in 10 year plans.



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I would guess a sprinter, but if is powerful enough to run the third party games that PS4 and 720 have then maybe it will last a bit longer. Plus they could give themselves a second wind if they come up with a clever new peripheral.

As for the success of the "sprint", I reckon it will depend a lot on Mario Kart this year. If they can do something clever with the gamepad and hook in the casuals, then it will be a great year. Unless PS4 and 720 come up with something to completely overshadow it.



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