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Should we have tighter restrictions on what poor can buy?

yes 34 41.46%
 
no 29 35.37%
 
I am rich and they paid f... 19 23.17%
 
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NiKKoM said:
Max King of the Wild said:

its on a credit card looking think. It replenishes every month and you use it just like a credit card. You can use it in almost every place that sells food. Also, I believe you can use it at McDonalds now.... you can by anything you want that is considered food... this includes soda, chips, chocolate, gummy bears, ect ect

ew.. that pretty messed up, was it the corporate industry pressure that made Foodstamps accepted at fast food chains or demands from the public?

In general anti-hunter advocates and advocates for the poor getting nutritioo tend to support junk food, because they see any criticism of the plan as damaging to the plan.

That's in general how american politics work, which is why all of our social programs end up completely broken like foodstamps and social security.



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Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Max King of the Wild said:

its on a credit card looking think. It replenishes every month and you use it just like a credit card. You can use it in almost every place that sells food. Also, I believe you can use it at McDonalds now.... you can by anything you want that is considered food... this includes soda, chips, chocolate, gummy bears, ect ect

ew.. that pretty messed up, was it the corporate industry pressure that made Foodstamps accepted at fast food chains or demands from the public?

In general anti-hunter advocates and advocates for the poor getting nutritioo tend to support junk food, because they see any criticism of the plan as damaging to the plan.

That's in general how american politics work, which is why all of our social programs end up completely broken like foodstamps and social security.

Isn't the government taking money out of the social security fund the main reason why it will collapse sooner?

"Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036.  So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?

The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted.  And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/



sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Max King of the Wild said:

its on a credit card looking think. It replenishes every month and you use it just like a credit card. You can use it in almost every place that sells food. Also, I believe you can use it at McDonalds now.... you can by anything you want that is considered food... this includes soda, chips, chocolate, gummy bears, ect ect

ew.. that pretty messed up, was it the corporate industry pressure that made Foodstamps accepted at fast food chains or demands from the public?

In general anti-hunter advocates and advocates for the poor getting nutritioo tend to support junk food, because they see any criticism of the plan as damaging to the plan.

That's in general how american politics work, which is why all of our social programs end up completely broken like foodstamps and social security.

Isn't the government taking money out of the social security fund the main reason why it will collapse sooner?

"Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036.  So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?

The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted.  And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/

Yes and no.  It wasn't that the government took money out of the social security fund so much as it never put the money in the fund in the first place.   Instead it was all used to buy government bonds which is all it was alowed to do by law.   Which is exacty like me buying IOU's from myself to fund my retirment fund.

It's completely moronic.

 

If we didn't have people refusing to allow change in social security for decades we could of did what every other country who has such a pension fund does.   We could of put that money in assets and stocks, and run a spurplus eaisly, as even during the GFC countries like Denmark made profits in the stock market.



Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Max King of the Wild said:

its on a credit card looking think. It replenishes every month and you use it just like a credit card. You can use it in almost every place that sells food. Also, I believe you can use it at McDonalds now.... you can by anything you want that is considered food... this includes soda, chips, chocolate, gummy bears, ect ect

ew.. that pretty messed up, was it the corporate industry pressure that made Foodstamps accepted at fast food chains or demands from the public?

In general anti-hunter advocates and advocates for the poor getting nutritioo tend to support junk food, because they see any criticism of the plan as damaging to the plan.

That's in general how american politics work, which is why all of our social programs end up completely broken like foodstamps and social security.

Isn't the government taking money out of the social security fund the main reason why it will collapse sooner?

"Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036.  So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?

The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted.  And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/

Yes and no.  It wasn't that the government took money out of the social security fund so much as it never put the money in the fund in the first place.   Instead it was all used to buy government bonds which is all it was alowed to do by law.   Which is exacty like me buying IOU's from myself to fund my retirment fund.

It's completely moronic.

 

If we didn't have people refusing to allow change in social security for decades we could of did what every other country who has such a pension fund does.   We could of put that money in assets and stocks, and run a spurplus eaisly, as even during the GFC countries like Denmark made profits in the stock market.

Some reason this popped into my brain after reading your response.

Not sure if the stock market is the best place to put money. We get a crash every decade.



Well, they could be on Cocaine stamps or something, so it could be worse. See, I know how to find the silver lining.



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d21lewis said:
Well, they could be on Cocaine stamps or something, so it could be worse. See, I know how to find the silver lining.

Strip clubs and bars should be required by law to give a fat rail to their drunk customers before they leave.  This would cut down on drunk driving accidents.



sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Max King of the Wild said:

 

 

 

Isn't the government taking money out of the social security fund the main reason why it will collapse sooner?

"Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036.  So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?

The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted.  And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/

Yes and no.  It wasn't that the government took money out of the social security fund so much as it never put the money in the fund in the first place.   Instead it was all used to buy government bonds which is all it was alowed to do by law.   Which is exacty like me buying IOU's from myself to fund my retirment fund.

It's completely moronic.

 

If we didn't have people refusing to allow change in social security for decades we could of did what every other country who has such a pension fund does.   We could of put that money in assets and stocks, and run a spurplus eaisly, as even during the GFC countries like Denmark made profits in the stock market.

Some reason this popped into my brain after reading your response.

Not sure if the stock market is the best place to put money. We get a crash every decade.

That i'd say isn't wholey inaccurate.... sadly.



Kasz216 said:

Yes and no.  It wasn't that the government took money out of the social security fund so much as it never put the money in the fund in the first place.   Instead it was all used to buy government bonds which is all it was alowed to do by law.   Which is exacty like me buying IOU's from myself to fund my retirment fund.

It's completely moronic.

 

If we didn't have people refusing to allow change in social security for decades we could of did what every other country who has such a pension fund does.   We could of put that money in assets and stocks, and run a spurplus eaisly, as even during the GFC countries like Denmark made profits in the stock market.

I just wanted to add to this ...

While we have substantial problems with our government, Canadians have had very good governments compared to many western countries for most of my life. In the mid 1990s we had a pay-as-you-go system (like the US) for the Canadian Pension Plan and it was calculated to go bankrupt in (roughly) 2015, and this inspired changes to the system that increased personal contributions and directed more money into actual investments. Today there are discussions about how increased life expectancy will impact the system, and there have been suggestions that the age people can collect will need to be raised, but there isn't the "social security crisis" with our pension plan that exists in the USA.

I don't really know why this happens, but there is an interesting dynamic difference between Canadian and American governments. For some reason Canadain governments are far more pragmatic and are willing to work to solve problems even if they're not the ideological ideal solutions.



You shouldn't be able to go to a fast food place with this thing, only healthier foods should apply



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