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Are you for or against gay marriage?

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I just want to know why people are against gay marriage for, but please try to explain why without mentioning anything religious. Gay marriage should be treated like an ordinary marriage, it's just 2 people who are happy together after all, that's no different to an ordinary marriage between a man and a women. Anyway, i want you to explain your beliefs on it without religion because people often mention religion while saying they are against gay marriage. Maybe there just ain't a non-religious argument against gay marriage at all 



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I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.



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In the UK we have civil partnerships for same sex couples.

Why bring religion into it?

Civil partnerships are enough.

Why cant same sex couple just have civil partnerships?

 

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I think it has to do with the definition of marriage. It probably came to be from ancient religious rituals concerning the bonding of two or more people for the purpose of procreation. That would make sense within evolutionary psychology: lots of animals have partners for life so it seems reasonable an institution of some kind would come to exist around it.

Anyways most civilized countries equal civil union and even stable relationship to marriage on grounds of rights and obligations so nowadays it would be mostly a bragging rights award, honestly.



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sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUR5HPg1Mc

Hard to poke holes in his argument.

Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.

Then I guess it died down when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire.



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sales2099 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.

Then I guess it died down when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire.

Yeah, sort of. Generally the Romans were already shifting towards a negative view of homosexuality coming out of the classical era, though it was the christianity that really took it to an extreme. 



I personally believe "Marriage" is a union between a Man and a Woman, this was before Religion even impacted my life.

 

Civil Unions are fine between male-male and female-female if they want to. I honestly believe the reason why most people (who are in same sex relationships) want to marry is to reap the benefits (monetary/governmental) of married couples. Otherwise if you bring the argument of Love and etc, it wouldnt matter now if they were married or not.

Did Marriage or Civil Unions exist first? I think Civil Unions existed before marriage as marriage was created as a "Law" or "Oath" between a man and woman.

I suck at explaining things like this so I think this might shed some light: http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/f9/origin-marriage-50901/

^ Note I skimmed through it and some points were made that seemed interesting , also note it IS OLD so some things might be a bit off.

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Now in terms of personal opinion on the matter of homosexuality (even if it might be a bit off topic) and this might make some people hate me but I'll be honest.

I'm against homosexuality (no offense to anyone here) but does it bother me that people are like that? Nope, I honestly dont care if you are gay or not. I'm not gonna say it should be illegal cause you know if a country wants to make it legal, that is fine by me as long as I dont get forced into something that I dont want to ;o and if a country makes it illegal dont care about that either just dont expect me to go on witch hunts cause you know in the end...

I dont care.

Edit: I'm not gonna debate - I am just gonna say my opinion.



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Because! What if I have to buy nice (read expensive) wedding presents for my gay friends? You know they usually have taste, and it would be expensive.

I think in a few more years we will laugh about how crazy backwards people were against same sex marriage- just like how we laugh how people use to be against interracial marriage (and TV characters and contestants couldn't date the opposite race without a bunch of controversy.) Incidentally, they use the same religious arguments against interracial marriage as they do today against same sex marriage.

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