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EdHieron on 08 January 2013
DanneSandin said:
EdHieron said:
DanneSandin said:
 

You're really predicting their doom imo...

First off; if Sony launches in late 2014, it wouldn't be a ONE years head start; it would be TWO years head start - since Wii U lanuched late in 2012. Secondly, it wasn't until AFTER the price drop the PS3 really picked up steam, so launching one year after x3ox with a higher price tag wouldn't benefit PS4, and soon they'd have to cut the price (like they did with PS3) and they'd be losing money (like with the PS3). Not a good strategy.

And with this strategy they would lose in Japan AND EU. Japanese aren't "graphic whores", meaning they would settle for something less powerful than a beastly PS4; enter Wii U. With a two years head start AND much cheaper price point they're set to dominate in Japan leaving the PS4 in the dust. And you gotta remember that EU is in a bad financial situation, which means that should x3ox launch one year a head with a cheaper price point Sony surely would lose that market as well leaving them with nothing. Launching at $500 would more or less guarantee a €500 price tag in EU, which translate to $650 - and that's something Europeans aren't ready to pay right now...

With your strategy Sony would ONLY attract old PS-fans, and not gaining anything else. This would be their last console.


Yeah, there were a lot of people predicting Sony's demise when it was announced that the PS3 would cost $600 at E3 2006, yet being the best selling console in the world week after week 6 years later would beg to differ.

Seeing as how 720's not going to be that cheap when it launches there wouldn't be that much difference in sales generated between a $400 and $500 (~500EU versus ~600EU) price tag in Europe initially (especially when the Sony brand is attached to the $500 / ~600EU one).  And if price is the only thing that mattered to the Europeans, they would have picked up Wii U in droves this past Christmas.  Plus at the European equivalent of $200 or less, the PS3 will continue to be doing quite well in Europe until PS4 releases / gets its first price cut and cutting into 720 sales that would also mitigate the earlier start for 720.

Also seeing as how Wii U is a late 7th gen console or a 7.5 gen console whereas the PS4 would be a true 8th gen console you would see most of Japan's true Next Gen development geared towards PS4.  Really, overall, even with a two year head start you wouldn't see that much of a difference in Japan between Wii U and PS4 something like that between DS and PSP or the much smaller Wii versus PS3 gap ~4 million in favor of Wii with PS3 gaining every week demonstrating that there are many Japanese gamers that enjoy comparably awesome graphics especially if a lot of Japanese titles were already in development and being geared as PS4 or 8th Gen Console exclusives for the PS4's launch window (possible eg. Metal Gear Solid 5).

Yes, it's been the best selling console for like a year or two - doesn't mean it'll catch up to Wii. And question is how much more will it sell than the 360? But none of that matters as Sony more or less haven't earned any money from the PS3. They lost a shit load of money in the beginning, and it's not until recently they've hit their pre-PS3 levels of money. That is not a sustainable business model.

The difference between x3ox and PS4 is that MS has a lot of money. They can afford to produce a console at $500 and sell it for $400 - Sony can't. This make MS extremely competitive and can under cut PS4's price point every step of the way. And one of the reasons the Europeans DIDN'T buy a Wii U is BECAUSE of it's high price tag. €350 is a lot in EU right now, so do you really expect Sony to be successful with a €500 system?! It's gonna bomb HARD if it releases with that price. Sony will be forced to cut the price and lose money on it, money they don't have.

It doesn't matter how you count the generations; we number them because it makes it easier for the industry (and the fans) to talk about them. No matter how you wanna see the generations, it's a fact we compare the Wii with PS360 - because they're competing against each other for out money. That's what matters. It doesn't matter whether or not you think of Wii U as a gen 7 or gen 8 machine; it will compete with PS720 for the market's money. THAT'S what matter.

The Wii is dead and isn't getting any more games; THAT'S why PS3 is gaining on it. Nintendo dropped that piece of machine as if it was poison, and it shows. A much more relevant comparison would be 3DS vs Vita. Tell me, how is that race going? Last I saw the numbers 3DS had sold over 10m in Japan while Vita is stuck somewhere around 500k. Seriously, that's a HUGE difference. Both consoles are being supported and are new entries to the market. Vita is much more powerful than 3DS, so how come 3DS is consistently outselling Vita if Japanese wants better graphics and power? Please explain that to me. 3DS is an inferior piece of technology, and yet it's selling like crazy. It's really and ass raping of the Vita on a scale I've never seen before.

Let's compare 3DS vs Vita with Wii U vs PS4:

Vita/PS4 has/will have superior technology

3DS/Wii U launched earlier

3DS/Wii U is cheaper

What does that tell you? PS4 will be a huge failure if Sony follows your advice.


Funny how stringently you Ninty fans defend your points yet underneath them is palpably present the fact that the one thing that frightens you the most is the notion of a coming Playstation console that would be as powerful in its time as PS3 was in its that sells like the PS2.



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sales2099 on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015 (2014 in Japan).

I thought you guys gave up that crazy dream in 2007 and lowered the bar and just decided to settle on just beating 36 0 :P

Dont revive that crazy pipe dream.



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EdHieron on 08 January 2013
sales2099 said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015 (2014 in Japan).

I thought you guys gave up that crazy dream in 2007 and lowered the bar and just decided to settle on just beating 36 0 :P

Dont revive that crazy pipe dream.


It's not a pipedream.  Just look at how well PS2 continued to sell so well long into the present gen.  It was still beating the 360 in Japan up until only a very short while ago.  Sony will continue supporting the PS3 for a long time to come.  We're only in year7 of their 10 year plan.  "The Last of Us" could even be a PS3 trilogy.  Since PS3 will sell over 10 million a year for the next two to three years at least Wii's 28 million lead isn't that secure. 



sc94597 on 08 January 2013

You guys overestimate the importance of power in determining sales. It's games that determine the sale of a console, and people will transition to a new console solely because it has the new games they want to play, regardless of whether it's 4x or 10x more powerful. Of course, with a weaker console you'd fine a segmentation of PC Gaming and Console gaming again, but in my opinion that's a good thing. PC Games should be on PC and console games on consoles.



sales2099 on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
sales2099 said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015 (2014 in Japan).

I thought you guys gave up that crazy dream in 2007 and lowered the bar and just decided to settle on just beating 36 0 :P

Dont revive that crazy pipe dream.


It's not a pipedream.  Just look at how well PS2 continued to sell so well long into the present gen.  It was still beating the 360 in Japan up until only a very short while ago.  Sony will continue supporting the PS3 for a long time to come.  We're only in year7 of their 10 year plan.  "The Last of Us" could even be a PS3 trilogy.  Since PS3 will sell over 10 million a year for the next two to three years at least Wii's 28 million lead isn't that secure. 

lol take it easy there buddy. You havent taken into account that the next Xbox and especially PS4 (once announced and then eventually released) will slow the sales of PS3. Not to Wii levels, but it will take the wind out of its sails so to speak.

Itll be close, but don't make a promise you can't keep. Baby steps, take down 360 first. Then set your sights on Wii.



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HideoK on 08 January 2013

I do think Sony is trying it's hardest to release PS4 this year in order to not give the next Xbox another year head start. Even though they caught up (about 1.8 million away) they lost a lot of market share in North America and people that got used to Xbox Live and achievements will want to stick with the next Xbox into the foreseeable future. Personally I wouldn't mind going back to 5 year cycle going forward (PS1 & PS2 had that), 8 years is too long to wait for the next console.

Like someone else said, I would buy the next PS4 even if it was only 2-4x more powerful if thats where all the new games are. I think 1080p at 60fps is all I want in the 8th gen.



gergroy on 08 January 2013
Wander_ said:
JoeTheBro said:
PS4K will be a beast and most definitely a huge leap above the Wii U. Sony can already go head to head with Nintendo's system for the time being with the money making PS3. Meanwhile the PS4K will be slowly gaining sales from the hardcore crowd with its loses balenced out by the PS3. This could work great if Microsoft's console is only 2-3x more powerful than the Wii U. However if XBOX8 is comparable to the PS4K and we have a similar setup as the 6th gen then this could really mess with Sony's plan. It's definitely a gamble, but all signs point to this being their strategy.

LMAO, So now it's called PS4k, im gonna start calling the PS3 PS31080k


Technically that would be ps3 1.08k. Or ps1.08k...



Nevermore on 08 January 2013

If they even have an ounce of sanity left, they'll launch in 2013.



NobleTeam360 on 08 January 2013

Even if it comes out this year It still won't be a gimped console.



DestructorGT on 08 January 2013

I agree with you that it will be a powerful console but 2013 seems more realistic right now after all the rumors and leaks. And also I wonder if they will cut the life-span of new consoles to maybe 5 years because after that the hardware gets really old. I mean new phones are released every year and they are usually twice as powerful as their predecessors. By the time next consoles are announced (after ps4 and new xbox) the phones will be more powerfull, especially after the newly announced tegra 4. Cutting life-span seems more realistic than putting the best graphics card and processor because of the costs.



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