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KungKras on 04 January 2013
torok said:
Conegamer said:
Nice spin, guys. Its still far too early (this week still includes Christmas Eve), we can judge in 4 months time.


We'll need at least 6 months to make a judgement about how is it doing. But the real judgement only can be made some months after then release of its competitors.

We also need to see what games Nintendo are going to announce to get a good grasp on their software direction. Once we know that, predicting it's sucess will be much easier.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 04 January 2013
freebs2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
the_dengle said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Exactly. Nintendo better pander to the casuals because they aren't going to win any hardcore battle with Microsoft and Sony. They played it smart and came out on top with their last console. I suggest they follow suit and commercialize the hell out of it.

So I don't know why you consider Wii Fit U, the sequel to two 20mil+ sellers, 'meh'-worthy.

Dragon Quest is a huge franchise in Japan, with 20 million-sellers in that region alone. Pikmin is an easy million-seller, as is Lego. Monster Hunter Tri for Wii sold almost a million just between NA and Europe, and 3 Ultimate is the first HD Monster Hunter game localized for those regions. Rayman is a well-known series and there's a lot of hype for Legends. The Wii U's first-half lineup for 2013 is nothing to sneeze at.

The only battle Sony and Microsoft will be having in 2013 is the battle for second place... again.


I dont consider those games quality, I consider them smart gimmicks. Remember this is a videogame site and this is about sales. Nintendo hasnt been selling big over legit titles, which is why they were never taken seriously by third parties. The casuals buy it, play it and put it in the closet plain and simple. The main people still using their Wii's today are the Nintendo core which are the same loyalists who bought the Wii U in the first place. Without a Wii mote being in the forefront they wont have the demand to beat Sony and Microsoft. I think sales have proven the point that Nintendo cant beat them without luring casuals. How in the world could a console sell double what the competition did at one point and still have less use? 

The way things are going....I feel a change in the winds this coming new gen.

So you say 10M Mario Galaxy sales, 11M Smash Bros, 7M Galaxy2, 6.7M Zelda, 6M DKCR are all unlegit sales? Are all of those are smart gimmicks?

You say the typical Nintendo game is the one worth playing once and then it will be put away. Fun and interesting fact is when you go to the used games aisle you can find lots and lots of games like Killzone, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Arkahm City, Mass Effect, Fallout etc. (those are good games don't get me wrong), still it's much less usual to find a game like Mario Kart Wii, despite the fact it has sold 33M uints.

Now why does people does whant to get rid of the former games, and not of the latter? The fact is, it's true a lot of MKWii player are "casuals" but still they keep playing the game for years, hence it holds more value than the avarage 90+ metacritic hardcore game. If you play a game for such a long time it can't be a gimmick. Then you say the only ones who are playing their Wiis today are Nintendo loyal fans and still Just Dance 3 has been in top10 all the holyday season, don't you see some fallacy in your argument?


I wouldnt say those sales arent legit at all. Thats quite normal much like Halo and GT selling over the seven million mark as well. Most of that comes with heavy bundling and the fact that more people had their hands on a Wii console. Look up the consoles that got the most usage and the Wii is at the bottom of the three no matter how much it sold. It just didnt have as much utility. 

Those sales you posted vs selling nearly 80 million copies of Wii Sports which ...well...we all know how that happend. Wii Sports resort coming in around 30 million and one of my favorites Mario Kart which was bundled with the Wii and a wheel (and sometimes Wii sports in there as well). 

Nintendo has been doing this since I was a child. I got my first Nintendo the same way, theres no shame in it. They are a bundling machine and no one can do it better, not Microsoft, not Sony not anyone.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 January 2013
KungKras said:
torok said:
Conegamer said:
Nice spin, guys. Its still far too early (this week still includes Christmas Eve), we can judge in 4 months time.


We'll need at least 6 months to make a judgement about how is it doing. But the real judgement only can be made some months after then release of its competitors.

We also need to see what games Nintendo are going to announce to get a good grasp on their software direction. Once we know that, predicting it's sucess will be much easier.


True. So far Bayonetta and Pikmin are high on the list for some.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 January 2013
Chandler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Chandler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Chandler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

You should see my family in awe when they watch me play Halo, God of War or COD. They are in awe of the graphics and way videogames are today, but put a controller in their hand and watch them squirm.

 

I can see it clearly, your superior gaming skillz, they call you a god in your tribe.


Don't go there, but you know very well that games today to the average onlooker demands a much higher level of hand-eye coordination than decades before the turn of the century. If I was a casual I would be intimidated as well. I was playing UFC with my friend and his uncle came in and saw us playing the game and started cheering us on. He asked to play and when he asked what the controls were it was like handing him a laundry list that he didnt have the time or patience to sort out. Remember the days when you could play a game and just punch and duck like the old boxing games on Sega? Yeah, those days are over. 

UFC is separated by three types of gamers (from online experience):

1. The spammer: Generally a casual without the patience to learn how the games core mechanics work. They just want to punch and kick their way to victory.

2. The moderate player: This player knows how to reverse sometimes, but knows the essentials moves and have to time them.

3. The hardcore gamer (technician): Not only knows how timing works, but how to create advances on their opponent, reverse at the right time and force them into submission or take them out whether on the ground or standing. They not only know the essentials, but the extra parts, like knocking your breathing off course with calculated punches and picks to the stomach and wearing out their opponents stamina. They understand that if they cannot win one way they always have  other options. The other two might get stumped because of it.

 


I may not measure up to your extreme skillz, but I just checked my hand-forehead coordination and it worked really well. As a casual noob, my attention span isn't made for reading technical gibberish about the classification of gamers.


You're on a gaming forum, I doubt I am referring to you. Love the attempt at sarcasm though. Its not elitism either, I am just stating there is a difference.


And I am a gamer, I beat Demons Souls.


As I said, I am not talking about you. I also made it clear to separate the Nintendo hardcore from the casuals. There are more of you buying the Wii U than the casuals right now. It will change once Nintendo marketing picks up.



Declan on 04 January 2013
WindyCityHeat said:

Wiiu barely broke 200k this week. PS3 is dominating the charts with nearly 600k, with 360 trailing about 150k behind. Wiiu on the other hand is well behind both competitors. If this pattern holds, wiiu sales will be pretty low for the next 11 months. If holiday sales can't land you a #1 spot on the charts, the rest of the year certainly won't be any kinder.


Not sure that's strictly true - it's possible that as console sales die down a lot following the Xmas rush, those that are buying a console go for the newest one on the market.  The original Wii wasn't #1 the Xmas it released (though it may have been had there been enough supply to meet demand), but it dominated once the holidays were over.  And I'm sure one of the HD twins must have 'won' a year having not 'won' the previous holiday.



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Ganoncrotch on 04 January 2013
Chandler said:

Last time I checked, 3DS is numero uno, so If holiday sales can't land you a #1 spot on the charts, the rest of the year certainly won't be any kinder on your favorite platform.


Oh snap!

 

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fmjasinski on 04 January 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


I dont consider those games quality, I consider them smart gimmicks. Remember this is a videogame site and this is about sales. Nintendo hasnt been selling big over legit titles, which is why they were never taken seriously by third parties. The casuals buy it, play it and put it in the closet plain and simple. The main people still using their Wii's today are the Nintendo core which are the same loyalists who bought the Wii U in the first place. Without a Wii mote being in the forefront they wont have the demand to beat Sony and Microsoft. I think sales have proven the point that Nintendo cant beat them without luring casuals. How in the world could a console sell double what the competition did at one point and still have less use? 

The way things are going....I feel a change in the winds this coming new gen.

You really should rethink your position about the 'casuals'. They're people like you and me, and and they are probably gaming's most demanding customers since they aren't affected by the slick industry marketing.

I learned the difference between myself and casuals after highschool. Two different types of gamers. I game as a hobby and they dont. They dont want to learn how to use a 13-16 button controller just to play a game. They want simple, instant gratification like people got in the arcades when they were younger. Why did people always circle around the kids playing killer instinct and street fighter in the arcade? Because when skill became involved that when the casuals either watched in amazement or ran off. Nintendo used to sell well to the legit core until you know who came. It hasnt been the same since. 

So Arcade is for casuals?  And Fifa is for hardcore? 



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KungKras on 04 January 2013
fmjasinski said:

So Arcade is for casuals?  And Fifa is for hardcore? 

That's an old post. The discussion evolved since then.



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fmjasinski on 04 January 2013
KungKras said:
fmjasinski said:
 

So Arcade is for casuals?  And Fifa is for hardcore? 

That's an old post. The discussion evolved since then.

Sorry for that. Like an old school gamer I do not feel so good about this and about the discussion hardcore x casual, that always diminish the last one.

Ignore my post. Go on.



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