That isn't what I said, but yes the process by which the human body is sexed with hormones, with relative ease is fascinating. 

Ok, i didn't quite understand you there

  It's presumptuous of you to assume they're "sick" however.  The embryo in vitro could have either for genetic, biological, or environmental reasons subjected them to a greater amount of Estrogen causing fundamental changes to who they were before they were even born.  The fact that you label a wide range of people "sick" when you have no understanding of their actual circumstance is pure ignorance. 

Why are the circumstances relevant ? If someone's sick, he/she is sick. The definition doesn't change at all regardless of circumstances. If someone's development went wrong in the womb (genetic, biological reasons) or later in life (enviormental reasons) doesnt really change much.

A person born with ambiguous genitalia, where they may appear to be male but because they're XXY rather than simply XY, to you is sick if they gender identify with a female.  How to fuck do you call someone XXY sick when even their own body can't made up it's mind as to what sex they are?

You answered your own question there. Because their body can't made up it's mind as to what sex they are. Isn't it obvious? But maybe disorder is a more fitting word rather than sickness?

Are there people who do it for the wrong reasons?  Sure.  I still wouldn't label them "sick" because I don't agree with what they're doing to their body. 

I don't think you understand that there is a slippery slope that exists in human sexuality, where a taboo becomes a kink, and once a kink is used to get off the extremes some will go to get pleasure from it increase.

As an example:  Looking at porn is a kink that most of us (guys) use to get off when we don't have the more desirable alternative of sex itself.  For some guys, pornography is "sick" and they aren't interested in viewing it at all.  I know someone personally where that's the case.  Hell, he didn't even masturbate until his first girlfriend told him it was okay for him to do so.  Again he felt it was sick. 

Bad example. I don't have any data on me, but i'd say 90% of guys (and big percentage of women too) watch porn today. It would be more likely that he is sick rather than us hehe. Porn is actually a matter of taste, what you described before most certainly isn't.

Just because he sees it as sick, does that make him right?  No.  Just because you see people as sick doesn't mean they're sick.  You just have absolutely no understanding of what the motivation behind why they feel compelled to do it.  You see it as sexual, it isn't.  It has nothing to do with who and how they have sex.  However it has everything to do with the gender they identify with.

Yes, i know that. That's exactly why i think they're sick/disordered. They should identity themselves with the gender they're born with. Not mutate their body into something that's not.

Broaden your understanding a bit.  It doesn't mean you have to think it's "ok", but maybe try to gain an understanding of what many go through long before they even get to the stage of hormone therapy, let alone the hormone therapy itself.

No, i don't think any of us normal people could comprehend that. That still doesn't mean we can't judge them for their actions.

But yes, I do find the process by which the human body sexes itself fascinating.  If you have a problem with that I suggest you go read about it in detail and try to find it NOT fascinating.

Voyeur - somebody who watches for sexual pleasure: somebody who gains pleasure from watching, especially secretly, other people's bodies or the sexual acts in which they participate

http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Voyeurism.html

Voyeurism is a psychosexual disorder in which a person derives sexual pleasure and gratification from looking at the naked bodies and genital organs or observing the sexual acts of others.

Again, fetishes and sexual arousal are a matter of taste, they differ from person to person. Mutating your body and genitals most certainly isn't. One would have to have serious development and psychological issues. Voyeurism and transexuality aren't even close on being comparable.

So, when a disorder is common and you're a participant it's perfectly acceptable.  However, when it's something you don't understand (can't wrap your head around) or don't participate in, it's a sickness.

Im not a voyeur nor a tranny lol.

I understand your completely warped and deluded perspective now.  What you have to accept is that there is no normal.  Normal is a utopia that doesn't exist.  Everyone has something about them that's abnormal.  Everyone.  I've never met a single person that I would say is truly normal.  They may be less abnormal than some others, but we are all variations of abnormality.  If we were normal, if we were perfect, than we would all be perfect replicas of God or, in the very least, Adam and Eve.  We are not. 

In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance. Medical disorders can be categorized into mental disorders, physical disorders, genetic disorders, emotional and behavioral disorders, and functional disorders. We can conclude from this definition that a disorder is an abnormality, and it's thus something that's NOT NORMAL.  And so that has a disorder (especially as severe as transexuality), we can conclude that they're not normal

The problem is that your perception of what is normal is either an average or an ideal.  Neither are realistic of the average person.  There isn't even a single, spectacular individual on this planet that would fit into the mold of "normal".  So stop thinking you are, and stop trying to make everyone else fit into what you perceive "normal" to be.

I know that no one is truly normal and that we all have our abnormalities. But we as a society still hold a certain standard of norms that we expect people to have. You have to draw a line somewhere. Like you said, there are variations of abnormality and if you cross that line, you are considered un-normal by normal people like you and me :)

I know that no one is truly normal and that we all have our abnormalities. But we as a society still hold a certain standard of norms that we expect people to have. You have to draw a line somewhere. Like you said, there are variations of abnormality and if you cross that line, you are considered un-normal by normal people like you and me :)

I can't think of many woman who would say yes to this permanently... just pondering. But I think most people would do it out of curiosity.

No. I personally wouldn't want to change. Why would I want to have to fight the annoying urge/fixation to have sex constantly? I like that I can just be satisfied, not constantly tempted by everything that walks. Not saying that is always the problem for men, but it tends to be more of a problem with them on a physical level, where with women, it's probably happening a lot more on an emotional level... the emotional is easier to satisfy in a steady relationship... unless that woman is emotionally defunct or has daddy issues or something. I think the emotional urge is easier to solve than the physical.

Periods suck, yes... but then before that, my hormones change and I actually enjoy a higher than average sex drive and higher degree of sexual self-awareness. Those precious few days do a lot for my creativity as well. Though I feel exhausted afterwards and the pain sucks and having to take Ibuprofen every 4 hours... the dehydration. But before that, my husband gets to 'witness' my creativity and I draw a lot of women and romantic themes, so it does wonders for the art too. Male/female chemistry are extremely fascinating to me when I am like that. It's a blissful feeling of wanting to be connected and appreciate the sexual form.

Also, I like our higher capacity for empathy and overall heightened emotional awareness... people complain a lot about women's bitching and nagging, and getting worked up about stuff... but I see it both ways, especially with a lot of men on these forums too. Women just like drama more. Hands down. Men like to shit talk and improve their egos through competition. For some, that's all they know how to do. Actually, women tend to be more nurturing type, and often in face of hell, we will comfort each other and are not afraid to talk about it. I think self-image is just as hard for a man as it is a woman... but for women, it's possible we tend to be more dependent on others for it...

I know a lot of men who have had problems with anxiety, particularly accomplishment based, but they're afraid to ask for help or to submit themselves to the common sense that is being spoken around them... even if it means raising their blood pressure and putting them into an early grave.

Of course these are generalities, so they're not entirely true. But I know I like being a woman :)