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oniyide said:
Mazty said:
Roar_Of_War said:
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Zelhawks37 said:
Mazty said:
Zelhawks37 said:
Mazty said:
Zelhawks37 said:
Once again, you Nintendo haters need to really hide your true colors better.

3DS still beasting, as expected, and Wii U will pick up in sales. Man, the Vita should do much better than that. The gap between X360 and PS3 is great for Sony, but doubt they care, given the crisis they are in. Overall, worse than last year, but the fact that handheld gaming is still kicking is great news for the video game industry. Surprised the DS is still selling great, but there were plenty of sales for it and the 3DS at my local Target.


You really shouldn't make such statements when you really don't have anything to base them on. Wii U sales MIGHT pick up, they might not. 

Nintendo knows what they are doing. They won't just screw up for their next home console. Not even two months in, and everyone is making judgements. Just compare the Xbox360, PS3, and Wii U launch.

Nintendo aren't some omniscient power - they might have made a mistake.

Comparing the 360/Wii/PS3 launches are irrelevant as the market was vastly different back then, plus those consoles weren't competiting against the previous generation, whereas the Wii U is fighting the PS3/360 head on with the volume of identical ports it has - there has been no "PGR3" yet for it. 
Either way, you can't claim Nintendo sales will pick up as that is not a fact, just speculation. 

What is fact, is that Nintendo had this same problem with the 3DS. How did that turn out? Yes, it is pure speculation, but saying that the Wii U is suddenly flopping is just as judgemental, perhaps even more so.

No one is saying it is flopping; it just isn't doing that well compared to it's older and cheaper rivals. The 3ds is a handheld, so again that is a pointless comparison due to market differences. Until the Wii U shows something that dramatically seperates itself from the 360 and PS3, then it will be seen as a rival to those two consoles and therefore their sales will be compared. In that sense, the Wii U is not performing very well at all. 


Isn't the Wii U selling better than the PS3 and 360 did at launch so far? In that sense, it would be selling very well.

Doesn't matter if it outperforming the launch of the other consoles. The reason is a)that was 6+ years ago (a lot has happened since then) & b) it is currently directly competing against the 360 & PS3 as of right now, ergo it needs to match current sales as it's seen as a contender to the PS3 & 360, not their superior. Until it can grab a technical footing above the PS3 and 360 (think PGR3 back in the day), then it will be compared directly to their sales rather then seen as the sales of an 8th gen console. 


not to mention both SKUs are selling for less than either PS3 or 360 did at their launches.

But really were people expecting the sales of Wii U to match those of PS360 now? If they did i wonder why.


Well I just gave the reason...Because it is currently directly competiting against them as it's yet to show itself as being superior. Once it's done that then it'll seperate itself from the last gen and be seen as the first console of the 8th gen, and in that case sales comparing its sales to the 360 and PS3 will become irrelevant. 



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1m down YOY: time for next gen guys.



lordmandeep said:
hmm Interesting how AC3 gets all this bad press yet will be the biggest AC by a wide margin


I think people were expecting alot from the game, I like it myself and i dont see the big deal. sure I like Ezio better than Conner and sure the game starts off way to slow, but it does pick up. I did notice a fair amount of glitches, (especially 360 version) but i think those got patched out already.



oniyide said:
lordmandeep said:
hmm Interesting how AC3 gets all this bad press yet will be the biggest AC by a wide margin


I think people were expecting alot from the game, I like it myself and i dont see the big deal. sure I like Ezio better than Conner and sure the game starts off way to slow, but it does pick up. I did notice a fair amount of glitches, (especially 360 version) but i think those got patched out already.

beautiful world, empty game. is connor even an assassin? cause i dont remember doing much assassinating in AC3. it was a huge let down for me and i've loved all the previous ones.



TheLastStarFighter said:
WiiU isn't bad in Europe. They are selling what they are getting there. I have no idea why people can't understand that. Nintendo can't manufacture more than 400k per week. If they could, they would have capacity to manufacture more than 20million units per year (400k*52weeks) which would be a stupid level of over-capacity. Nintendo is allocating more units to North America and Japan right now, just like they did with Wii. The only number to look at with WiiU is the total sales, not where the shipments are going. WiiU is selling what they can make, and will continue to do so until all of the Nintendo Nuts have their system. After the first 5-10 million units we will see if there is mass-market appeal for SuperWii.

Can't believe you are still arguing this.  Weren't you claiming Europe would get 100k per week earlier.  Now it has sold well below that for two (and presumably three through the 29th) weeks.  So despite it selling less than you expected, being easily available at retailers and online, and selling for less than retail on ebay, you still somehow think it is selling out?  I'm curious, if Nintendo's financials show more than 500k shipped to Europe or ~2.5 million worldwide what will your reaction be?  Will you admit that it wasn't sold out or will you just claim it was undertracked?

You claim Nintendo can make 400k per week and they will sell all they can make until they hit 5-10 million.  So basically you expect them to continue to sell 400k a week through February?  Or will they just scale back production despite there supposedly being enough demand to sell all they make?

Also, when do you think they started Wii U manufacturing?  Because 400k from the NA launch to the end of the year would be about 2.4 million.  However it would have needed to start at least a month before considering they needed to be shipped from china.  That would put the total for the year around ~4 million.  Now, most of December's production wouldn't be in time for the West unless they shipped them by air, but apparently so little is going to Europe that isn't a huge factor.  So even if they didn't start production until late October that would mean a potential 2.4 million for the West plus more for Japan since shipping time is much quicker with China.



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BenVTrigger said:

lalalalalallalalalla i can't hear you.



BenVTrigger said:

Anyone who think PS3 will be flat or even 15% down next year are completely irrational

360 and PS3 are holding strong for such old consoles but they're burning out

Price cut will (should) be next Year.

2009 - Slim + Cut
2010 - PS Move
2011 - Cut
2012 - Slimmer
2013 - Pricecut?

Would follow a trend I guess. Add in actual support this time around compared to 2012 and it might not be too far down YoY. I dont think WiiU will affect PS3 or 360 too much in 13... And it depends highly on which console(s) will release at the end of the Year.



How much will all the consoles be down next year? 360 will end up 10.5-11m which is about 25% down in sales. PS3 11.5-12m which is around 18% in sales. Wii of course massive down... 3DS about flat.

I think PS3 will be down 20% while 360 25% again, 30% if no major SW next holiday. DS and PSP will continue its spiral downwards 60% ish. In all honesty I think PSP will be discontinued WW before the PS2.

Being positive about next years sales.
360 8.5m
PS3 9.6m
DS 1.2m
PSP 1.2m
Wii 2m
3DS IDK either up quite a bit or flat
PSV IDK either
Wii U 8m+



Carl2291 said:
BenVTrigger said:

Anyone who think PS3 will be flat or even 15% down next year are completely irrational

360 and PS3 are holding strong for such old consoles but they're burning out

Price cut will (should) be next Year.

2009 - Slim + Cut
2010 - PS Move
2011 - Cut
2012 - Slimmer
2013 - Pricecut?

Would follow a trend I guess. Add in actual support this time around compared to 2012 and it might not be too far down YoY. I dont think WiiU will affect PS3 or 360 too much in 13... And it depends highly on which console(s) will release at the end of the Year.

The problem is they don't think the PS3 cut to $199 will have much of an affect.  Of course, to think that you would have to ignore Black Friday's numbers.  PS3 was the only console to be up YOY (and up 15%, not something like a meager 2%) for that week in the US.  Even 360's $50 price cut and $149 bundles didn't stop it from being down YOY.  Now, imagine if the PS3 was that price for ~6 months or more of the year, with a $149 Black Friday bundle.  Then you have ALL those exclusives launching next year.  I also agree that the Wii U isn't going to affect the PS3 or 360 sales.  They're selling to completely different crowds.

Like I said, I'm not delusional and think that the PS3 will be completely flat, or only 5% down.  But I don't think it being only 10%-15% down is completely out of the question.



Carl2291 said:
BenVTrigger said:

Anyone who think PS3 will be flat or even 15% down next year are completely irrational

360 and PS3 are holding strong for such old consoles but they're burning out

Price cut will (should) be next Year.

2009 - Slim + Cut
2010 - PS Move
2011 - Cut
2012 - Slimmer
2013 - Pricecut?

Would follow a trend I guess. Add in actual support this time around compared to 2012 and it might not be too far down YoY. I dont think WiiU will affect PS3 or 360 too much in 13... And it depends highly on which console(s) will release at the end of the Year.


At best PS3 will be down 20% next year.  There just isn't demand strong enough anymore for either 360 or ps3 to remain even flat YOY.  This generation is very close to ending as is proof by the huge YOY declines for every console this year.  Some nice games and a price cut may slow their fall but 20% YOY drops at best for the HD twins in 2013