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JayWood2010 said:
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JayWood2010 said:
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JayWood2010 said:
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JayWood2010 said:
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JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
So correct me if I'm wrong. This article says Kratos is Jesus or God now?

If so that would be wrong on so many levels considering Kratos is a complete asshole. God of War games are great but I never personally liked Kratos as a character.


Did anyone ever like Ares as a character? No. He was the god of war and his reason for being was destruction and feeding off of human turmoil. Kratos has more sides to him that Ares. Ares will kill whoever he pleases, and there have been moments where Kratos outside of blind rage held back his sword against another (see Ghost of Sparta).


Yes but the God of War and God/Jesus are two completely different things.  And is God/Jesus even in mythology?


To some Jesus is a myth. To over two billion people on the planet (and growing) he is god.

Yes but is he in mythology?


I edited my last post. Christianity will eventually become myth just like all the others. Its just that in this age monotheism reigns.


I'm pretty sure historically Jesus is a real person though. His name might not be jesus like the bible says or that he was born from a virgin, in fact he was actually born in Spring not the Winter.  But I'm pretty sure he is historically proven to be a real person. Now how the bible explains him is a different story.


His hebrew name was Yeshua, and no, I dont believe there was substantial evidence that he existed as a god (This is the same argument for the prophet mohammed). If he did, it wasn't the light professed in the bible because I've never heard anywhere historically about him. 


As I said the way the bible explains him could be false.  i'm not even aware of how he is explained.  He is basically a demigod from the way the bible explains him if Im correct.  im just saying that he is a real person.  His stories might not be true but he is a real person.  

This is not my point anyways.  My point was that Jesus is not in mythology so for him to become Jesus is wrong.  Not only that Jesus was suppose to be a good man while Kratos is a complete asshole.  They don't even fit together.  now if he becomes God it would probably be more like him becoming Zeus unless their is a higher god in greek mythology that I'm unaware of


Jesus and Kratos do not equate at all, you're correct. Polythiesm had a god for every instance or circumstance since they couldn't explain the world. To many Christians Jesus is god and that the holy trinity (father, son & holy ghost) are one in the same. Therefore god sent his only son (who is him) to die for our sins to prove his love to the rest of humanity. One must not deny the holy ghost (Because they are denying god).


That's what I was wanting to know.  I just found the article to come off a little strange and wasn't using logic.  It's a great theory but it just didn't make sense unless I was reading it wrong which is possible.

Thanks btw :)

Actually that is just my theory and I have very little to base it on. The "article" is actually not an article. Its a page in the wiki of GoW called Revelations and Prophecies or something along that line.

 

I chose the thread title to be what it is due to the following =>

 

___________________________________


An interesting note: God of War III was released on March 16. 3:16 is a famous verse from the Bible. John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

 

and

 

Third mural


In the third mural, it depicts "Three travellers heading to an unknown destiny". The mural shows three men walking towards a star in the sky, alluding the journey of the Three Wise Men towards the birth of Christ guided by the Star of Bethlehem. This also signifies that after the end of Greek Gods, Christianity has surfaced along other religions. Some fans theorize that Kratos will become the God that is believed and worshipped by monotheistic religions, while others believe Kratos might, in some way, be connected to Christ himself, being the son of a God who saved humanity by giving them hope. Another curious aspect is that in God of War II, a Griffin Rider wields a weapon called Spear of Destiny, the weapon that shares name with the spear that impales Christ's sides during his crucifixion that is used by a Roman soldier, Longinus.

 

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Everything else in the games that have had murals pointing to the future have been fullfilled. So what do you think the three travelers heading to an unknown destiny are? Will we find out in Ascension? Is it left for our interpretation based on GoW3s ending? GoW4 perhaps if there'll be one?

Basically, its one thing that yet has to somewhat be portrayed unless its suppose to be vague and have us think for ourselves, I dont know. Its very very interesting though.



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That's pretty awesome and great game material.

And yet they go and make a crappy prequel to tell a part of the story that nobody cares about.

Move on with Kratos, or move on with another character, but for the love of Zeus, MOVE ON.



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Aldro said:

Guys you are missing a big point though when it comes to Kratos.

When he opend the box, he was filled with revenge/hatred whatever to himself whereas the other gods were given Fear. This is also why Kratos has such a lust for battle/killing/war in the beginning of GoW2 . Well that and the prophecy of the marked warrior and the fact on what happend in Ghost of Sparta. But that all fueled the gods to stop Kratos. Like.. the power inside the box made everyone act like ass holes and in turn make each other even bigger ass holes.

However since Kratos was the one who opend it, he was also given Hope which as Athena said, was locked deep inside of him.

Hope being a power that trumps all else and is the reason he in a way .."redeems" himself by killing himself and releasing it to the world after finishing every other god.

I believe Ascension will show us the TRUE Kratos. The Kratos we never really got to see.

Thoughts?

 

EDIT:

In the legend of Pandora, Pandora simply couldn't resist the temptation of what was inside Pandora's Box. Curiously opening the box, she released all of the world's evils;

"pride, wrath, sorrow, deceit, vain, glory, cowardice, hate, arrogance, gluttony, envy, vanity, lust, fear, greed, etc. "


I actually played up toward the end of gow iii and then stopped (though I watched the ending cutscene on YouTube). Was tired of the things I mentioned in my previous post, and just couldn't care less about the story or Kratos anymore (also was about to start grad school at the time, so had a lot of prep stuff to do anyways). I never got to play CoO or GoS either. So...there are definitely a couple of gaps in my knowledge of the story. 

Some of the things u mentioned gave me better insight into some of the story and its themes, though, especially the theme of hope. Thats a nice touch to the storyline that i didnt know about.

I still dont understand why they decided to completely dehumanize kratos tho, especially to the point of making him so unlikeable to many/most ppl. If they just gave him SOME boundaries or SOME evidence of a conscience (consistently), it wouldve made a big difference. Willing to kill anyone that gets in the way of his revenge against zeus? okay. Boring and monotonous after 3 games, but ok. Killing innocent ppl for either no reason or simply without a trace of moral conflict or regret? i dont get the draw there. I can go for kratos ripping a mythical enemy in half, but when it comes to humans/human-like beings, excessive/brutal killing (e.g. Hercules), or unnecessary killing (e.g. going out of his way to kill a person hanging onto a net - for no effing reason - instead of simply moving to the side to climb around him (gow iii)), are 2 of the biggest mistakes i think SSM made with kratos' character. I guess some ppl like that stuff, but again, most ppl - even many ppl who really like the GoW games - dont actually like kratos bc of these things. 

Okay im moving on. Ive already gone too far off topic, and im sorry for that:( If i didnt want to be able to like GoW so bad (LOVE the Greek mythology setting and the overall epicness), i never would have bothered taking the time to type all of that.

Anyhooters.....

I had meant to mention ascension! When that first single player footage of Ascension came out, it got me interested, yet I thought I wouldn't be playing another GoW game again. It's funny how simple and discreet the part is that (singlehandedly) regained my interest: The goat creatures impale the 2 ppl with spears, but kratos actually pushes the 3rd person out of the way. It was even obvious that he didn't care THAT much, and he was even a bit of a jerk about it haha; but he still saved him. Intentionally. Loved it! It was such a small thing, yet that short scene got its own separate buzz on forums and from game critics. I SSM expand on this and on kratos' humanity throughout Ascension. I think this could make a huge difference.

That part also makes me think even more how much popularity GoW could gain if they continue the series with kratos transitioned into a protective sort of role for earth/humanity. They could even make him reluctant at first, or with some selfish motives, so that the transition is slow/less radical-seeming. Can keep a lot of the violent/brutal nature - just give kratos a reason for it, such as making it known that the creatures that represent his enemies do horrible things - kill children, rape, etc.: things that kratos simply AVOIDED before, but they now - due to his change resulting from GoW iii's ending - actually elicit anger, explaining his reason for brutalizing his enemies rather than simply killing them. 

I think it could be amazing (again, if done right) - even if I'm the only one haha. 

Wow why did I write so much? I really had to get work done:( Sigh.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
So correct me if I'm wrong. This article says Kratos is Jesus or God now?

If so that would be wrong on so many levels considering Kratos is a complete asshole. God of War games are great but I never personally liked Kratos as a character.


Did anyone ever like Ares as a character? No. He was the god of war and his reason for being was destruction and feeding off of human turmoil. Kratos has more sides to him that Ares. Ares will kill whoever he pleases, and there have been moments where Kratos outside of blind rage held back his sword against another (see Ghost of Sparta).


Yes but the God of War and God/Jesus are two completely different things.  And is God/Jesus even in mythology?


To some Jesus is a myth. To over two billion people on the planet (and growing) he is god. Some equate the two but really are nothing alike. The story of Jesus is more like the story of Tammuz or Horus

I'm not gonna get into a religion discussion, especially bc aldro didnt mean for the claim to be taken as anything other than a theory that interested him. I just have to comment on ur myth statement, tho...

If someone believes Jesus is a myth, it's a case of misinformation. There is no debate whether Jesus existed; it's proven fact. The only debate is whether he is who he said he was.

Also...the Bible has proven as an important, accurate historical document for many events in ancient history (wars, etc.). I forget what u said exactly that led me to say that, but something did lol. Not claiming 100% accuracy, just making a note...

That's all I want to say on religion, at least in this thread. 



pitzy272 said:
Aldro said:

Guys you are missing a big point though when it comes to Kratos.

When he opend the box, he was filled with revenge/hatred whatever to himself whereas the other gods were given Fear. This is also why Kratos has such a lust for battle/killing/war in the beginning of GoW2 . Well that and the prophecy of the marked warrior and the fact on what happend in Ghost of Sparta. But that all fueled the gods to stop Kratos. Like.. the power inside the box made everyone act like ass holes and in turn make each other even bigger ass holes.

However since Kratos was the one who opend it, he was also given Hope which as Athena said, was locked deep inside of him.

Hope being a power that trumps all else and is the reason he in a way .."redeems" himself by killing himself and releasing it to the world after finishing every other god.

I believe Ascension will show us the TRUE Kratos. The Kratos we never really got to see.

Thoughts?

 

EDIT:

In the legend of Pandora, Pandora simply couldn't resist the temptation of what was inside Pandora's Box. Curiously opening the box, she released all of the world's evils;

"pride, wrath, sorrow, deceit, vain, glory, cowardice, hate, arrogance, gluttony, envy, vanity, lust, fear, greed, etc. "

 

I actually played up toward the end of gow iii and then stopped (though I watched the ending cutscene on YouTube). Was tired of the things I mentioned in my previous post, and just couldn't care less about the story or Kratos anymore (also was about to start grad school at the time, so had a lot of prep stuff to do anyways). I never got to play CoO or GoS either. So...there are definitely a couple of gaps in my knowledge of the story. 

Some of the things u mentioned gave me better insight into some of the story and its themes, though, especially the theme of hope. Thats a nice touch to the storyline that i didnt know about.

I still dont understand why they decided to completely dehumanize kratos tho, especially to the point of making him so unlikeable to many/most ppl. If they just gave him SOME boundaries or SOME evidence of a conscience (consistently), it wouldve made a big difference. Willing to kill anyone that gets in the way of his revenge against zeus? okay. Boring and monotonous after 3 games, but ok. Killing innocent ppl for either no reason or simply without a trace of moral conflict or regret? i dont get the draw there. I can go for kratos ripping a mythical enemy in half, but when it comes to humans/human-like beings, excessive/brutal killing (e.g. Hercules), or unnecessary killing (e.g. going out of his way to kill a person hanging onto a net - for no effing reason - instead of simply moving to the side to climb around him (gow iii)), are 2 of the biggest mistakes i think SSM made with kratos' character. I guess some ppl like that stuff, but again, most ppl - even many ppl who really like the GoW games - dont actually like kratos bc of these things. 

Okay im moving on. Ive already gone too far off topic, and im sorry for that:( If i didnt want to be able to like GoW so bad (LOVE the Greek mythology setting and the overall epicness), i never would have bothered taking the time to type all of that.

Anyhooters.....

I had meant to mention ascension! When that first single player footage of Ascension came out, it got me interested, yet I thought I wouldn't be playing another GoW game again. It's funny how simple and discreet the part is that (singlehandedly) regained my interest: The goat creatures impale the 2 ppl with spears, but kratos actually pushes the 3rd person out of the way. It was even obvious that he didn't care THAT much, and he was even a bit of a jerk about it haha; but he still saved him. Intentionally. Loved it! It was such a small thing, yet that short scene got its own separate buzz on forums and from game critics. I SSM expand on this and on kratos' humanity throughout Ascension. I think this could make a huge difference.

That part also makes me think even more how much popularity GoW could gain if they continue the series with kratos transitioned into a protective sort of role for earth/humanity. They could even make him reluctant at first, or with some selfish motives, so that the transition is slow/less radical-seeming. Can keep a lot of the violent/brutal nature - just give kratos a reason for it, such as making it known that the creatures that represent his enemies do horrible things - kill children, rape, etc.: things that kratos simply AVOIDED before, but they now - due to his change resulting from GoW iii's ending - actually elicit anger, explaining his reason for brutalizing his enemies rather than simply killing them. 

I think it could be amazing (again, if done right) - even if I'm the only one haha. 

Wow why did I write so much? I really had to get work done:( Sigh.

 

Well like I said, Kratos wanted to even end his life in GoW1 but the Gods pretty much didnt let him.

And not only did Ares make him kill his wife and daughter, Zeus pretty much killed his mother as well as had his brother tortured in which Thanatos killed him.

Add that to the evils that were released in GoW1 through Pandoras box and you have yourself a douche bag who simply wants to murder everyone xD.

And then theres always the whole greek mythos thing which in general tends to be overly violent and stuff :P.

 

The fact that they actually baked in a more human-y story in GoW3 and explained some stuff were actually a very nice and unexpected touch in my opinion. Id argue he finally forgave himself for his sins which was what unlocked hope within him and eventually redeemed himself by giving it to the world and not to Athena who wanted to rule (She having Greed as her sin). He realized by the end that he in a way, was already dead and that the gods were not themselves either.

 

I agree on Ascension. We have really not seen JACK SHIT about the SP. They have pretty much just shown us the improved combat and mentioned that Kratos will be less of an arse. This leads me to believe that we will get to see how he was before the box and all that jazz. Still though, his family is dead so dont expect him to be super friendly XD.



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No he didn't cause that's who I am. teehee. Oh by the way did you ever notice gears of war and god of war have the same abbreviation. thats news to me.



F6U6C6K6Y606U said:
No he didn't cause that's who I am. teehee. Oh by the way did you ever notice gears of war and god of war have the same abbreviation. thats news to me.

GoW and.. GoW.

HOLY SHIT!



wouldn't suprise me, so much of todays fiction is drawn from the bible.



Aldro said:
JayWood2010 said:

Thanks btw :)

Actually that is just my theory and I have very little to base it on. The "article" is actually not an article. Its a page in the wiki of GoW called Revelations and Prophecies or something along that line.

 

I chose the thread title to be what it is due to the following =>

 

___________________________________


An interesting note: God of War III was released on March 16. 3:16 is a famous verse from the Bible. John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

 

and

 

Third mural


In the third mural, it depicts "Three travellers heading to an unknown destiny". The mural shows three men walking towards a star in the sky, alluding the journey of the Three Wise Men towards the birth of Christ guided by the Star of Bethlehem. This also signifies that after the end of Greek Gods, Christianity has surfaced along other religions. Some fans theorize that Kratos will become the God that is believed and worshipped by monotheistic religions, while others believe Kratos might, in some way, be connected to Christ himself, being the son of a God who saved humanity by giving them hope. Another curious aspect is that in God of War II, a Griffin Rider wields a weapon called Spear of Destiny, the weapon that shares name with the spear that impales Christ's sides during his crucifixion that is used by a Roman soldier, Longinus.

 

___________________________________


Everything else in the games that have had murals pointing to the future have been fullfilled. So what do you think the three travelers heading to an unknown destiny are? Will we find out in Ascension? Is it left for our interpretation based on GoW3s ending? GoW4 perhaps if there'll be one?

Basically, its one thing that yet has to somewhat be portrayed unless its suppose to be vague and have us think for ourselves, I dont know. Its very very interesting though.


I don't know, I think if Kratos ended up being Jesus that would piss a lot of people off.  Video games already have enough bad press the way it is, the last thing we need is for Christians to get all huffy puffy about games.

Personally I don't believe they are portraying him as Jesus just because that doesn't fit in with Greek Mythology.  It's been awhile since I've played the trilogy so I may be missing something.  I aslo haven't played Ghost of Sparta so maybe I'm missing some important details.





       

It makes no sense whatsoever. Saying he becomes the Christian God is pushing it but saying he becomes Jesus is absurd. Interesting evidence but I think it leads to a different conclusion.