Forums - General Discussion - To Christians: Adam/Eve vs dinosaurs?

Okay so I have a topic that I've been wondering recentley. Before I start, let me say that I am a Christian. I believe in my religion fully, but don't like to beat people down with bibles. I will share my beliefs however, as I also love to hear others share what others believe. In the end, I believe that my religion will get me into heaven, just as others believe theirs (unless atheist) will get them into heaven. So this isn't a thread to nessesarily debate your religious views. But because I'm talking about Adam and Eve, this is more of a Christian opinion. 

Okay. So I problem is figuring out the timeline of the Earth according to Christian beliefs. Obviously, we believe in creationism and not evolution. However, it is a fact that dinosaurs existed. With that said, when did they come into play? I'm not looking for years, because I don't believe that the Earth has been here for millions/billions of year, I'm just looking for a connection. According to Christians, Adam/Eve were the first people. They were born naked (in bible) and stood upright. But what about "cavemen"? And to my knowledge the animals in the bible were similar to the animals of today. But where were the dinosaurs? Did they exist in a different part of the world????

If your comment critizes my religious views without any good input, I have no problem reporting it and hopfully the mods take care of it. 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this issue. Again let me stress that I really don't want this to turn into an argument. Just curious to see what everyone thinks about it. 



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Proof that dinosaurs and man co existed. 

Actually, I believe dinos were here first then we came along later.



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I think you ask good questions but won't like the answers you hear. I have no problems with Christians that don't force their beliefs on anyone, I was raised Catholic. If you choose to believe that the bible is the literal word of God truth, that is your prerogative, but realize your questions will never have neat answers that fit into the chronology.

The Bible was written millions of years after all dinosaurs had died, so obviously they weren't mentioned in it. At the time, people had no reason to believe that dinosaurs ever existed.



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Flash_Gordon said:
I think you ask good questions but won't like the answers you hear. I have no problems with Christians that don't force their beliefs on anyone, I was raised Catholic. If you choose to believe that the bible is the literal word of God truth, that is your prerogative, but realize your questions will never have neat answers that fit into the chronology.


Good point. But realize this. You have to believe in Adam and Eve to answer to the question.



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Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, And his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. (Job 40:1518)

It's pretty clear that the Bible states that Dinosaurs and humans coexisted despite knowing this is complete nonsense.

The Bible makes no mention of hominids. (despite knowing they existed: Denisova hominin , H. antecessor, H. cepranensis, H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. floresiensis, H. gautengensis, H. habilis, H. heidelbergensis, H. neanderthalensis, H. rhodesiensis, H. rudolfensis, H. sapiens idaltu, H. sapiens sapiens (modern humans))

Honestly, I think most Christians just kind of ignore the problem. I used to wonder about this all the time when I was a kid and I think I even asked about it in Sunday school. I don't remember who told me, or if it was an "official" answer, but I remember getting the response that fossils are "a lie told by Satan to create doubt". Even as a kid I knew that sounded fishy, especially since I thought Satan couldn't perform physical miracles in that way, but if it's true then damn if I'm not super impressed by the devil. That would be like the best hoax EVER. I've also heard that god did it to test the faith of christians, which would be kind of messed up.

I don't think you'll find an answer to your problem. I never did, just as I never found an answer to many, many other problems and contradictions. That was part of the reason why I left Christianity behind; the only other option I can think of is to file things like that as Unsolved Mysteries in your head and just accept that you don't know the answer. Science will never mesh with the time-line you believe.

One thing I don't understand, though, is how people can disbelieve in evolution, christian or not. That would mean that ALL fossil records are wrong, even relatively recent ones that show that people and animals from not long ago were slightly different than they are now. That species change relative to environmental differences, to me, is natural and obvious. That's one that I could never get my head around while growing up. People telling me that nothing evolves is the same as being told that logic doesn't exist and I just can't accept that without remaking myself into someone else.

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pokoko said:
Honestly, I think most Christians just kind of ignore the problem. I used to wonder about this all the time when I was a kid and I think I even asked about it in Sunday school. I don't remember who told me, or if it was an "official" answer, but I remember getting the response that fossils are "a lie told by Satan to create doubt". Even as a kid I knew that sounded fishy, especially since I thought Satan couldn't perform physical miracles in that way, but if it's true then damn if I'm not super impressed by the devil. That would be like the best hoax EVER. I've also heard that god did it to test the faith of christians, which would be kind of messed up.

I don't think you'll find an answer to your problem. I never did, just as I never found an answer to many, many other problems and contradictions. That was part of the reason why I left Christianity behind; the only other option I can think of is to file things like that as Unsolved Mysteries in your head and just accept that you don't know the answer. Science will never mesh with the time-line you believe.

One thing I don't understand, though, is how people can disbelieve in evolution, christian or not. That would mean that ALL fossil records are wrong, even relatively recent ones that show that people and animals from not long ago were slightly different than they are now. That species change relative to environmental differences, to me, is natural and obvious. That's one that I could never get my head around while growing up. People telling me that nothing evolves is the same as being told that logic doesn't exist and I just can't accept that without remaking myself into someone else.

Somebody actually read my post!

Thanks for your input. You put a lot of effort into a good response, and it shows. 

I agree with a couple things you said. Although I don't believe in evoution per say, that doesn't mean that things don't change over time. Natural section is very much a fact. Animals and humans alike change and adapt in order to fit their surroundings and to survive. I just don't think we were once monkeys....

And for the fossil records, I find it impossible for me to believe that scientists can tell you how many millions of years old a rock is. That just sounds stupid. I know they have their equations and tests and what not, but still. 

Also it does bother me when Christians ignore logic completley and rely 100% on faith. That's just ignorance. As a Christian, I want to be a better Christian by learnign as much as I can from other religions and point of views to test my own. I think a true Christian is one that can learn things that test their beliefs, yet still beleive in them.

Again thanks for the input :)



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