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Kynes on 28 December 2012

Lets do a Kickstarter page for that Monster Hunter: Charity edition.



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outlawauron on 28 December 2012
Kenology said:
outlawauron said:

Why does Namco put Tales games on every console and handheld? Would they be better served using only one? Why has Capcom shared the love with Monster Hunter on multiple consoles and handhelds (even cellphones have their own version of MonHun) including multiple spin-offs . There are far crazier ideas than to think Vita will get a MH somewhere down the line. MH is being whored out everywhere and you'd be foolish if at worst Sony would moneyhat one unless they just completely cease production on the handheld.

Edit: It doesn't even have to be exclusive. They could do what Namco is doing with God Eater 2 and making it PSP/Vita. For MH, a PS3/Vita isn't out of the question either.

Your argument doesn't seem to 1). take into consideration how well those system sold which got a Tales releases, 2). it ignores the very important implications for splitting the MH userbase which Soriku explained above, and 3). ignores the fact that no system with such lofty expectations has tanked quite as bad as the Vita.  If PSP was going to get another Monster Hunter, it would've been Monster Hunter 4.  Capcom has moved on to next gen.  It's about time some of you move on from this notion too.  I was hoping to get a reasonable explanation for it to actually happen, not just hear about what you want to happen.

And I think the biggest argument against you is the #2 though - splitting the userbase.  Doing it between console and handheld is fine, but splitting it among two handhelds?  I don't think Capcom will do it.  Not at all.

 

EDIT: Also, I also think Tales was a bad comparison anyway.  It not nearly as popular or important an IP as Monster Hunter.

Of course it doesn't have the volume of MH, but it's one of Namco's most important IPs. They don't have many others that are much bigger. For Capcom, I would guess that MH takes a backseat only to RE.

Splitting the userbase is a good argument (if this was a rational company), but it has not stopped them before, especially if you want to consider how they treat their other major IPs along with MH. Never count out Capcom to drive their IPs into the ground.

It also has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It's becoming funny how people are holding onto this as some sacred cow now.



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the_dengle on 28 December 2012
outlawauron said:

Of course it doesn't have the volume of MH, but it's one of Namco's most important IPs. They don't have many others that are much bigger. For Capcom, I would guess that MH takes a backseat only to RE.

Splitting the userbase is a good argument (if this was a rational company), but it has not stopped them before, especially if you want to consider how they treat their other major IPs along with MH. Never count out Capcom to drive their IPs into the ground.

It also has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It's becoming funny how people are holding onto this as some sacred cow now.

Except with DS?



outlawauron on 28 December 2012
the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

Of course it doesn't have the volume of MH, but it's one of Namco's most important IPs. They don't have many others that are much bigger. For Capcom, I would guess that MH takes a backseat only to RE.

Splitting the userbase is a good argument (if this was a rational company), but it has not stopped them before, especially if you want to consider how they treat their other major IPs along with MH. Never count out Capcom to drive their IPs into the ground.

It also has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It's becoming funny how people are holding onto this as some sacred cow now.

Except with DS?

Putting it out on 4/5 consoles + cell phone game + multiple spin offs and re-releases isn't enough because there was a single handheld left without one?



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archbrix on 28 December 2012
outlawauron said:
the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

Of course it doesn't have the volume of MH, but it's one of Namco's most important IPs. They don't have many others that are much bigger. For Capcom, I would guess that MH takes a backseat only to RE.

Splitting the userbase is a good argument (if this was a rational company), but it has not stopped them before, especially if you want to consider how they treat their other major IPs along with MH. Never count out Capcom to drive their IPs into the ground.

It also has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It's becoming funny how people are holding onto this as some sacred cow now.

Except with DS?

Putting it out on 4/5 consoles + cell phone game + multiple spin offs and re-releases isn't enough because there was a single handheld left without one?

You speak as though the DS was just some random, modest selling system.

Monster Hunter may very well arrive on the Vita eventually, but as the omission of a DS version proves, nothing is a certainty.



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archbrix on 28 December 2012
VGKing said:
Soriku said:

I don't understand the MHP4 on Vita talk that pops up every now and then. First of all there's no guarantee that there will even be a MHP4 considering the main series is on a portable for the first time ever. Second, if there actually is one, why would Capcom put it on the Vita over 3DS? What is the incentive? It would split up the userbase (MH is popular because everyone who wants to play owns the system it's on without much confusion. First it was PSP and now 3DS. Yes there are MH games on other platforms but they're either ports in Frontier and 3rd HD's case, or not part of the Portable series that they might do away with in MH3's case since. And they're all on consoles. Putting the main series on one portable and the Portable series on another would be moronic.) and it'd obviously sell more on 3DS. MH3G sales are already higher than the Vita's LTD in Japan. Are people still hoping for this incredibly unlikely possibility? It's just wishful thinking.

And no, MHP4 on PSP is not possible. They're done with the PSP. How is this even a suggestion?

Simple. Monster Hunter owes its success to PSP...

Regarding Japan, the opposite is also true.



outlawauron on 28 December 2012
archbrix said:
outlawauron said:
the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

Of course it doesn't have the volume of MH, but it's one of Namco's most important IPs. They don't have many others that are much bigger. For Capcom, I would guess that MH takes a backseat only to RE.

Splitting the userbase is a good argument (if this was a rational company), but it has not stopped them before, especially if you want to consider how they treat their other major IPs along with MH. Never count out Capcom to drive their IPs into the ground.

It also has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It's becoming funny how people are holding onto this as some sacred cow now.

Except with DS?

Putting it out on 4/5 consoles + cell phone game + multiple spin offs and re-releases isn't enough because there was a single handheld left without one?

You speak as though the DS was just some random, modest selling system.

Monster Hunter may very well arrive on the Vita eventually, but as the omission of a DS version proves, nothing is a certainty.

Of course. If it was certain then we wouldn't have fun debating these things.



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the_dengle on 28 December 2012
outlawauron said:

Putting it out on 4/5 consoles + cell phone game + multiple spin offs and re-releases isn't enough because there was a single handheld left without one?

In 5 years I may be asking the same of you regarding the Vita, no?



outlawauron on 28 December 2012
the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

Putting it out on 4/5 consoles + cell phone game + multiple spin offs and re-releases isn't enough because there was a single handheld left without one?

In 5 years I may be asking the same of you regarding the Vita, no?

It is possible, but we will see.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Tarumon on 28 December 2012

I really don't know if most gamers are as fanatically devoted to just one platform as the posts on this site would suggest. I see Wii collecting dust next to xbox360 "or Ps3s in a lot of homes. Kids play with DS or iPad based on whatever their parents would let them. Brand loyalty to the exclusivity of others may or may not be THAT strong. Will Capcom infuriate an entire genration of monster hunter lovers by going to Nintendo instead of Sony? Unless their fans are also Sony fans, Capcom is going to believe their fans are MH devotees first.

When even Sony fans are deserting the Vita, what's the fear of Capcom in skipping Vita? Sony has swished on PSP Go, Vita (so far), anyone seen Sony Tablet P? It's like Ds and iPad had a child. Sony's frequent misses lately is not a very comforting sight for us as consumers. For 3rd parties whose business it is to profit from games, if they had the money to charitably devote to Sony, wouldnt they be much better off diverting those funds to the massively expanding Apps market? 3DS is now the safe bet, if not sure bet @ access to immersive portable gaming. Vita is a risky bet. As much as I'd love to see the Playstation brand prosper, counting on gratuitous 3rd party support is not too realistic.