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Interesting, but considering that the 3DS was all but dead in the water before Nintendo dropped the price and released two of its biggest titles on the platform to date, that doesn't mean much.

Unlike the 3DS, it's looking like the PSV will not be seeing a drastic 180 turnaround any time soon. And in my own opinion, I'm not even sure the platform will see a similar turnaround with a price drop unless it is accompanied by at least two legitimate hardware selling killer apps.

Even as a PSP/PSV owner, I'm not even sure which, if any of the IPs that have shown up on PSP would even qualify.

Any such title showing up exclusively on the PSV would literally be a gift if it were produced by a third party, and I am at a loss when it comes to PS3 IPs that could show up on the PSV that would sell serious hardware.



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interesting spin to look the bad vita hard and software sales look better. but it is no more than trying to be a spin doctor.



happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

All I insinuated is that the Vita managed to keep up sales to past a point where Nintendo deemed it appropriate. I didn't insinuate that any console is better than another. Yours is a strawman argument..you are arguing a point I have not made, but insist on telling me what my own point is based on conjecture and hidden messages.

Wake up.

1I really don't get the point of the title then, nor the point of OP. And if you look at Kowen's graphs, it's pretty clear that the 3DS beat the Vita in sales even pre pricedrop, unless you're using the fake aligned launch trends.

2To each his own I guess.

3It's either this thread is pointless, or my conjecture is correct. Either way, I don't think you have a realistic  understanding of what success constitutes.

1. The point of the OP is exactly as it was written. To highlight a little silver lining on the Vita situation. "It isn't as dire as it seems". I mean, that was a line taken directly from the OP. Yes, yes, I understand from all the upstanding people in this thread that Vita took longer, and I know the graphs upon graphs upon graphs, but again, for the fourth time, try to look at it this way: The Vita has managed to hold on without a price drop to a point further than Nintendo allowed 3ds to go.

Obviously Nintendo could've gone for far longer without a price drop, while simultaneously beating the vita in sales. It's lowest week was 40k, and that was the week right before an announced price drop. Vita has seen many weeks at mid 20k. I know the facts already.

2. Why the need for little quips like this?

3. Or you're setting up another little catch-22 for yourself, like you did in the last thread when someone told you to your face, that you misinterpreted the OP. Here's the truth: Your conjecture is wrong, AND the thread is not pointless.

 

If the Vita can reach and surpass the 3ds in sales based on a period of time judged by a price drop, then there is hope for it yet. Why? Because it demonstrates that while not having the same amount of demand, there actually is still a good amount of demand for it.

3.2 million 3ds' were sold at 250$ with no competition and 3.5 million Vitas were sold at 250+memory card, and some sold at 300+memory card when its main competitor dropped to 179$ upon release day. Don't you think there is some strength in that?



z101 said:
interesting spin to look the bad vita hard and software sales look better. but it is no more than trying to be a spin doctor.

I see many here keep saying its "to spin" bad number's to Make it better in the light of how it is. and that is not the case at all.

I think many in here are quite ready to write off the PSVita when the fact is the PSVita is pretty much a mimic of the PS3 this generation and how it started out in the fact that many of the same people back in 2007 and 2008 were saying the very same thing's about the PS3. many were ready to write the system off!

Only this time the PSVita is not like the PS3 or the PSPGo, for one the forward trend's in Gaming is not so much the living room console, EA games released their publishing dynamic for the next cycle and its not very pretty.



Electronic Arts is in a particularly precarious position, because it must grow its mobile profits without cannibalizing sales of $60 packaged games. 
Its response is a strategy EA calls “fewer, bigger, better.” 
It’s slashing the number of new console and PC games it releases each year from 67 in 2009 to just 22 this year. Next year EA will release just 14 packaged game titles, but it’s doubling down on digital, with more than 30 mobile and social games, building on its library of over 500 mobile titles.  

from 67 
down to 22 
now down to 14 

for game console and PC 

but it increased to with more than 30 mobile and social games ! 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49923002

both Sony's jack tretton and EA's Peter Moore both had interviews about the future of game distribution and Publishing.

and it's not just them.

What i think many are overlooking is the fact that Multiple core Mobile devices are still high end , but many game's are still designed for single core even in the Mobile space, dual core, quad core etc. it still boils down to the single core being the largest number of smartphones and Tablets in the % of devices in the Mobile market. The Nintendo 3DS is Arm 11, while the PSVita is Arm Cortex A9. The design for both devices were designed not for the same time on the market, Nintendo makes handhelds for turn over of their cycle for far shorter a support cycle than Sony does until the WiiU because there is i doubt any reason to think Nintendo really expected the Wii support cycle to be geared toward extended life on the market, like Sony or Microsoft does.

Just pointing out the way Sony and Nintendo both design their machines Sony is more of designed for longer support cycles, the 3DS has 6 MB of Dedicated Video ram, the PSVita has 128 MB of dedicated video ram, while the main smartphones and Tablets are at most 64 MB.

Take for instance the PSVita has the exact same GPU as the iPad 3 with extra enhancement's, as we have seen even though there will be an iPad 4 and a iPad 5 the core development for software still will be for atleast a few year's the iPad 3 due to install number's. Quad core chips are out now in smartphones , but single core 1 GHz are the base core processor for most games and that will still be that way even into 2014!



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I agree joerc, I thnk vita will do the exact same thing ps3 did, minus the billions in losses of course lol.
It will take a while, but it will hit 60m with plenty of people kicking and screaming all the way to grandmas.



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theprof00 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

All I insinuated is that the Vita managed to keep up sales to past a point where Nintendo deemed it appropriate. I didn't insinuate that any console is better than another. Yours is a strawman argument..you are arguing a point I have not made, but insist on telling me what my own point is based on conjecture and hidden messages.

Wake up.

1I really don't get the point of the title then, nor the point of OP. And if you look at Kowen's graphs, it's pretty clear that the 3DS beat the Vita in sales even pre pricedrop, unless you're using the fake aligned launch trends.

2To each his own I guess.

3It's either this thread is pointless, or my conjecture is correct. Either way, I don't think you have a realistic  understanding of what success constitutes.

1. The point of the OP is exactly as it was written. To highlight a little silver lining on the Vita situation. "It isn't as dire as it seems". I mean, that was a line taken directly from the OP. Yes, yes, I understand from all the upstanding people in this thread that Vita took longer, and I know the graphs upon graphs upon graphs, but again, for the fourth time, try to look at it this way: The Vita has managed to hold on without a price drop to a point further than Nintendo allowed 3ds to go.


The main problem here is you used the wrong word. The Vita hasn't outlasted anything the 3DS has done. The Vita has survived. It's been comparable. It's lasted. There's a bunch of words to choose from, but you chose outlasted. By using that word, it skews your actual talking points because you've said the Vita has done better than the 3DS in at least one department, which it hasn't. A different title would have lowered the hostility in here I think.

Doing something 4 months later than something else isn't outlasting, it's holding on.



Veggie said:
theprof00 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

All I insinuated is that the Vita managed to keep up sales to past a point where Nintendo deemed it appropriate. I didn't insinuate that any console is better than another. Yours is a strawman argument..you are arguing a point I have not made, but insist on telling me what my own point is based on conjecture and hidden messages.

Wake up.

1I really don't get the point of the title then, nor the point of OP. And if you look at Kowen's graphs, it's pretty clear that the 3DS beat the Vita in sales even pre pricedrop, unless you're using the fake aligned launch trends.

2To each his own I guess.

3It's either this thread is pointless, or my conjecture is correct. Either way, I don't think you have a realistic  understanding of what success constitutes.

1. The point of the OP is exactly as it was written. To highlight a little silver lining on the Vita situation. "It isn't as dire as it seems". I mean, that was a line taken directly from the OP. Yes, yes, I understand from all the upstanding people in this thread that Vita took longer, and I know the graphs upon graphs upon graphs, but again, for the fourth time, try to look at it this way: The Vita has managed to hold on without a price drop to a point further than Nintendo allowed 3ds to go.


The main problem here is you used the wrong word. The Vita hasn't outlasted anything the 3DS has done. The Vita has survived. It's been comparable. It's lasted. There's a bunch of words to choose from, but you chose outlasted. By using that word, it skews your actual talking points because you've said the Vita has done better than the 3DS in at least one department, which it hasn't. A different title would have lowered the hostility in here I think.

Doing something 4 months later than something else isn't outlasting, it's holding on.

Yeah I totally see your point, but on the other hand, had I written survived, I'd feel as if I was being too subservient.

It just doesn't seem like that much of a trigger word. Sure, had some of the OP been written differently, or anti-Nintendo remarks been made subtly, then yes, I would agree....totally asking for it. From where I'm standing though, I don't see why I shouldn't address my fellow Vita fans by pulling out the white flags first. Don't you think it's a little cruel to expect that? Or am I looking at this the wrong way?

I feel like even when Vita hits 10m, or even if it passes a majority-agreed upon prediction of sales for FY2012, people will still retaliate because the OP dared to say that naysayers were wrong.

Do you understand what I'm saying?



theprof00 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:
I think the difference between myself and dissenters, is that I'm of a realistic understanding of what success constitutes. For example, I'm pretty sure some of the bigger posters on here have called psp a failure, and while vita hasn't exactly done psp numbers, there's plenty of time to improve.

Again, I will ask, would there be a thread if Sony had cut the price. Let's pretend Sony did have enough money to cut it safely, let's pretend these excuse variables didn't exist. Would there have been a thread if Vita had dropped in price previously to selling what 3ds did. Yes. Yes there would.

Even later in its life, even if it becomes more successful than the psp, I imagine there will be all kinds of excuses to continue trolling it.

No, you're not, because ITT you mention that the Vita outlasted the 3DS, insinuating that the Vita surpassed the 3DS in a certain benchmark which, once properly analyzed, actually emphasises Sony's inability to reach the expectations they had originally set. Why? It could be due to not having the ability to change strategies, it could be because they hope to reach it at a later date.

All in all this thread goes to show how misled a person can truly be when the value-system is skewed.

All I insinuated is that the Vita managed to keep up sales to past a point where Nintendo deemed it appropriate. I didn't insinuate that any console is better than another. Yours is a strawman argument..you are arguing a point I have not made, but insist on telling me what my own point is based on conjecture and hidden messages.

Wake up.

No. it didn't. 

Land your point isn't based on conjecture and hidden messages, it's based on a lie.



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theprof00 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

 

3.2 million 3ds' were sold at 250$ with no competition and 3.5 million Vitas were sold at 250+memory card, and some sold at 300+memory card when its main competitor dropped to 179$ upon release day. Don't you think there is some strength in that?


Can you show me how you worked this out please? It looks like a manipulated load of bollocks to be honest. 

The 3ds has never been behind the vita curve when you align launches. Never.



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kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

 

3.2 million 3ds' were sold at 250$ with no competition and 3.5 million Vitas were sold at 250+memory card, and some sold at 300+memory card when its main competitor dropped to 179$ upon release day. Don't you think there is some strength in that?


Can you show me how you worked this out please? It looks like a manipulated load of bollocks to be honest. 

The 3ds has never been behind the vita curve when you align launches. Never.

July 28, 2011 – Nintendo of America today announced plans to drop the suggested retail price of its portable Nintendo 3DS™ system to $169.99 in the United States, as new games based on some of the world's most beloved video game franchises head to the system. The new price, down from the suggested launch price of $249.99 and effective Aug. 12, makes an outstanding value even better and sets up a strong holiday season for the system.

so when was the Nintendo 3DS released?

in the US market the Nintendo 3DS released March 27, 2011

So The 3DS released in Japan from FEB 2011 to AUG 12 THE Price was $250.00 was it not? and from

Aug afterward's it was $169.99

So right now Sony's PSVita released in japan  December 17, 2011, and in the US February 22, 2012

How is that "manipulated load of bollocks "?

Sony has not dropped the official price of the PSVita  yet!, While Nintendo did infact drop the Price and announced the price drop 4 months after Nintendo released the 3DS in the United States. upto that time did Nintendo sell 3.5 million 3DS's @ $250.00?



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