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the2real4mafol on 13 December 2012

Far cry and Splinter cell will do fine



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yum123 on 13 December 2012

A top heroes of might and magic game would be awesome on vita. turn based strategy



yum123 on 13 December 2012

A top heroes of might and magic game would be awesome on vita. turn based strategy



N-Magic on 13 December 2012
Train wreck said:
sensebringer said:
Train wreck said:
N-Magic said:
pezus said:
N-Magic said:
how many heave sold AC:L ???? anyone heave the sale the AC:L ??

About 490k so far with sales increasing steadily now each week.


soo poor for a Bundle game and big marketing from Sony and Ubi !!!!

 

failure of a big Title

What about all the 3rd party Wii U titles?

We must turn every thread in this site a Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft war?

I think for silly comments like that yes.  He is claming that 490k for a bundled game is poor (more of his knock on playstation/vita), but fails to  look at AC3 for the Wii U.  I am 100% certain that is a money losing venture for Ubisoft since it takes $1.3 million for the port and the games sales are barely registable.

AC:L it heave a 1 year Vita 4m  Sale m8 so u r wrong !! AC3 7 day Wii U 1m 



Euphoria14 on 13 December 2012
pezus said:
HappySqurriel said:
pezus said:
HappySqurriel said:

Define "good one"?

From my understanding, most bundled software produces far less per-unit revenue for third party publishers than a retail sale and they enter into these contracts because the high volume more than makes up for the reduced revenue. I don't know the figures from this contract but I wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft was earning $5 or $10 per unit rather than the $20+ they probably get at retail.

In other words, while a game like Assassin's Creed may break even on development costs with 250,000 to 500,000 games sold digitally (where they cut out the retailer) or with 500,000 to 1,000,000 sales at retail, they probably require far more sales to break even on bundled software.

 

Beyond that, they won't be able to bundle all of the software they produce and the more software that is bundled the lower of sales they can expect from bundled software.

The core problem for publishers with the PS-Vita still stands, it is selling at a rate below 5 million units per year which means it doesn't have the userbase to support the budgets of PS-Vita games. It needs to maintain roughly double its sales to become a viable platform for strong support.


Good = 1m in sales, 700k-800k of that in ~two months

If they spent $10 Million on development, $10 million on marketing, and earn $10.00 per bundled game is 1 million sales when most of them are bundled really good? It may be good in comparison to the 250,000 sales at $20 per unit you would have received if it wasn't bundled, but in general it is pretty awful; and certainly wouldn't be a strong argument for spending another $10 million on development with an additional $10 million on marketing for another PS-Vita game.

 

In general, games for the Nintendo DS cost (about) 1/2 to 1/4 to develop than a similar game for the 3DS or PSP does, and games for the 3DS or PSP cost about 1/2 to 1/4 to develop than a similar game for the PS-Vita does; while 1 million sales for a DS game may be fantastic it is probably pretty mediocre for the 3DS or PSP, and it is pretty bad for the PS-Vita. This progressively increasing cost on higher detailed graphics is the main reason why studios were going bankrupt after million+ selling games on the HD consoles last generation, while 500,000+ sales for a Wii game typically meant there would be (many) sequels.

What do you think they expected for the game? It was rushed together in around a year or less if I recall correctly. Don't you think Sony paid them up front for the bundle? I'm also pretty sure Sony handled most of the marketing, so why would Ubisoft not be pleased? They've even said so themselves.

Where are you getting the 1/2-1/4 for 3DS development vs. Vita? I've seen nothing that hints at that.

Yeah, 500k+ sales for Wii 3rd party games certainly ensured continued 3rd party support...no


It was said long ago that Vita dev costs were closer to that of the PSP than the PS3.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/69209/vita-development-costs-closer-psp

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/playstation-vita-dev-costs-closer-to-psp/

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28762216/playstation-vita-development-costs-closer-to-psp-than-ps3

 

3DS dev costs are said to be similar to that of the Wii or 3x that of the DS.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/23494

http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/11/22/3ds-to-triple-ds-development-costs

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/06/22/3ds-development-costs-may-approach-wii-levels/

 



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VGKing on 13 December 2012
kowenicki said:
Bundled isnt it?

Yes, but so is Call of Duty and even LittleBigPlanet in some regions. None sold as good as this.
People have choices, and they picked Assassin's Creed. Congratz Ubisoft and Sony.  This is the start of a long partnetship I'm sure of it.



VGKing on 13 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
I can't help but think that Ubisoft would be reluctant to expand development for a platform that requires a game to be bundled to pass the 500,000 unit mark ...

You people and your downlplaying SMH.

Read the comment a made towards Kowencki. Same applies to you. The point is that the game will keep selling. It's not stopping at 500k. People chose to buy the Assassin's Creed bundle, that's a sale, not a give away. 



theprof00 on 13 December 2012

how many of these bundles were actually produced?



Euphoria14 on 13 December 2012
theprof00 said:
how many of these bundles were actually produced?


I think it's a standard bundle. It's still readily available.



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bananaking21 on 13 December 2012
kowenicki said:
Gehirnkrampf said:
italo244 said:
>Ubisoft
>The Elder Scrolls

Im quiting here.


i was also wondering.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft

Ok, i've read more and Ubi just did the publishment for Morrowind in France. So forget about TES.

 

@kowenicki

bundled, but still sold. i don't think ubisoft gives their game away for free, just to be in that bundle.

and i thought those bundles include download voucher's (at least in europe)?


Thats not really the point is it.

The point is that a new game was bundled and you are using this as evidence that Ubisoft will see this as great sales and move more franchises to Vita.  I dont think this evidences that at all. Not even remotely.  A game will need to prove itself on its own feet first and not rely on being a give away in a bundle.

since this is the game that is selling the vita its pretty muh a success. people are not buying AC because they have a vita they are buying a vita to play AC, which shows strong demand for the ubisoft game and i think they will be really happy with that. people are paying 250$ to play their game, it would be illogical not to cater to the market they themselfs created.