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  I was banned from this site for posting historically verified information that has been wholeheartedly endorsed by almost every major academician that has studied history and religion during the past 100 years and I don't really know what to make of that but that will be what my next forum topic is about.

 

However, in this one, I just want to briefly address some points that Gergroy tried to make in that last one.

 

In regards to Mountain Meadows Massacre where 120+ men, women, and children old enough to tell what really happened were massacred in cold blood by the Mormons and as outlined in Historian William Bagley's highly regarded book "Blood of the Prophets:  Brigham Young and The Mountain Meadows Massacre" ( http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Prophets-Brigham-Massacre-Mountain/dp/0806136391/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355401285&sr=8-1&keywords=blood+of+the+prophets ) more than likely with the full knowledge and approval of their Second Prophet / President Brigham Young  Gergroy said "Oh my gosh, How is it that crap that happened over a hundred years ago is somehow relevant?"  The answer to that as any good historian knows is that we are supposed to remember the past, so that it's mistakes ie. allowing the Mormons to set up a Theocratic Kingdom, which is what Utah amounted to prior to statehood, on American shores again should not be allowed to happen because as the history of Mormonism and the long history of Christianity shows bad things happen to people that don't adhere to their cults' party line in theocratic states.  We're not supposed to forget the lessons learned from Salem, Massachusetts just because people no longer believe in witches are we?

 

Then Gergroy said in regards to "The White Horse Prophecy" the Mormons' belief that they should strive to do everything in their power to set up a Mormon government in America:  "White horse prophecy is a freaking wives tale, nobody believes that crap, the mormon church hasnt ever accepted it." 

 

That statement was a perfect example of the type of subterfuge that Mormons typically use to try to hide their real agenda.  "The White Horse Prophecy" which according to Mormons is supposed to come true when "America's Constitution is hanging by a thread" (most recently according to them when there's a black guy in the White House named Barack Hussein Obama that wants to do far more for the people of the United States than just let the SuperRich have their way in every policy and decision made in the country) is far more than an Old Wives Tale to the Mormons.

 

It's been referred to by almost every important Mormon since it was first formulated including in recent times Mitt Romney's father George Romney, Senator Orrin Hatch prior to his attempt to run for President in the late 1990s, Glenn Beck, and prior to Romney's last run at the White House a conclave of Mormon Elders was called to discuss it in secret.

 

Investigative journalist and Cult Researcher Richard Abanes in his highly regarded book on Mormonism "One Nation Under Gods:  A History of the Mormon Church" ( http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Gods-History/dp/1568582838/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355402573&sr=8-1&keywords=one+nation+under+gods )    documents thoroughly how "The White Horse Prophecy" has played a major role in Mormon Thought during the past ~150 years.  He also demonstrates that Mormonism scores highly on every important dimension that psychologists have set up to determine whether a religious group is a cult.

 

This video (  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2t1Io9s6GE  )    by youtube's   New Carabu (  http://www.youtube.com/user/newcarabu ) also documents the fact that "The White Horse Prophecy" is an integral component of Mormon thought.

 

Then in response to a point that I made that The Dean of Yale University's Literature Department Harold Bloom stated during Romney's run for the Presidency that a Romney Presidency would mean a strengthening of Theocracy in America ( http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700197866/Yale-professor-Harold-Bloom-warns-of-Romney-and-Mormon-theocracy.html?pg=all)  GreGroy stated that "Harold bloom also said said joseph smith was a religous genius and that if he wasnt a jew he would have probably become one.  I dont see you quoting him on that!"

 

Well, I didn't see Gregroy quoting Bloom on the fact that as mentioned in the Deseret Newspaper article I linked to in the above parenthesis that in an opinion piece for "The New York Times" during Romney's recent  run for the Presidency that Bloom called the LDS Church a "knowledge-hungry religious zealotry" and its leaders "plutocratic oligarchs".

 

Nor did I see Gregroy quoting Bloom's closing passages on the topic of Mormonism from his highly regarded book of religious criticism "The American Religion:  The Emergence of the Post-Christian Nation" ( http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Religion-Emergence-Post-Christian/dp/0671867377/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1355403577&sr=8-2&keywords=the+american+religion)   published in the late 1990s where Bloom says, "I tremble with fear of the day that America has a Mormon President."

 

Then Gregroy replied:  "Now look, You have been warned already today in this thread.  This is off topic and honestly not anything that belongs on these forums.  If you want to attack somebodies religion, go to a forum that serves that purpose."

 

Actually everything that I said in that forum was historically accurate and everything that I said was easily validated if anyone wanted to take the time to look up the information as I've provided much of it above.  And my comments were on topic as badgenome had made the statement that there wasn't anything extreme about the Conservative Social Agenda, and I was attempting to show just how extreme the Conservative social agenda which is largely based on outmoded and dangerous modes of thought actually is.

 

Markos Moulitsas' popular and highly regarded book "American Taliban:  How War, Sex, Sin, and Power Bind Jihadists and the Radical Right" (  http://www.amazon.com/American-Taliban-Power-Jihadists-Radical/dp/1936227029/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355404497&sr=1-2&keywords=american+taliban+book )   is an excellent source for anyone wanting to see how extreme the beliefs of the Right are.  The fact that they would even run someone like Romney  (  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5dflaTV3JM viahttp://www.youtube.com/user/Styxhexenhammer666)   as their Presidential candidate is even further proof of how extreme their views are.

 

Gergroy concluded by saying:  "If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all."

 

As someone that's been brought up to be a firm believer that only positive statements about the cult that he belongs to should be put forth ( http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord ), GreGroy would like that especially in the light of the fact that Romney's loss to Obama further invalidates the idea that Joseph Smith was any kind of prophet at all since by their church's definition there wil never come a time when America's Constitution could be seen to be hanging by a thread anymore so than under an Obama Presidency; however, the truth was that I wasn't even saying anything bad about Mormonism.  I was only stating the truth about it as revealed in the highly regarded and scholarly books mentioned above which do have by far most of the weight of scholarly approval of any reference materials on the topic behind their contentions.



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Wow, you were banned for this?

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@Moonhero I was banned for pointing that out as well as the fact that the social agenda of the majority of Conservatives is an extreme one that is bad for many people and that similar social agendas have resulted in a great deal of misfortune for many people in the past.

EdHieron said:
@Moonhero I was banned for pointing that out as well as the fact that the social agenda of the majority of Conservatives is an extreme one that is bad for many people and that similar social agendas have resulted in a great deal of misfortune for many people in the past.


Can't beat the man, can ya?



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I actually said that the Republican Party was a moderate, centrist party, not that there were no extreme elements in social conservatism. l2read

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badgenome said:
I actually said that the Republican Party was a moderate, centrist party, not that there were no extreme elements in social conservatism. l2read


This is what your sentence said:  "I don't see what that would accomplish. Branding aside, the Republican Party is neither fiscally conservative nor socially extreme,".



EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
I actually said that the Republican Party was a moderate, centrist party, not that there were no extreme elements in social conservatism. l2read


This is what your sentence said:  "I don't see what that would accomplish. Branding aside, the Republican Party is neither fiscally conservative nor socially extreme,".


Which it isn't... which i proved via your own logic based on the fact that you suggested over 50% of the country agreed with the republicans on social issues.

Then you suggested denying gay people the right to marry could be worse then burning jews alive.


Oh, and you were moderated for saying

"
I know perfectly well what I'm talking about.  Christianity is the greatest force for evil the world has ever seen.  Mitt Romney is a member of a very secretive and dangerous cult.  And if you Right Wing Christ, Money, and Ayn Rand cultists can't beat a black man with a name like Barack Hussein Obama after four years of the vilest smear campaign in the history of American poliics ( or at least since the McCarthy era), how do you really hope to get things to go your way in the future?"

As such, thread locked... and your lucky i'm not extending your ban for blantant lieing about why you were baned..



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