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logic56 on 13 December 2012
sales2099 said:
logic56 said:
Preemptive damage control......delicious

Celebrating 2nd place victory after 7 years with a history of being #1 for 2 gens......meanignful?

lol no



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Mnementh on 13 December 2012
sales2099 said:
Mnementh said:
F0X said:

A generation doesn't end until all of its consoles are off the market. We may switch our terminology to refer to newer devices as "current-gen", and the older ones "last-gen", but multiple hardware generations can run concurrently. Actually, gen 6 is still ongoing right now since the PS2 is still being sold. Three generations at once. Probably for not much longer.

Edit: For further clarification, I'll try to use living beings as an analogy. Multiple generations of humans can live at the same time. The life of an older person doesn't end when a younger one is born, though there is a point in time after which a person must be considered a part of a new generation. New generations bring change to the table, but a generation ultimately stops existing when its members cease to exist. Relevancy is a seperate issue.


This.

Relevancy plays its own role as he himself admitted. Lets apply this to people generations.

You can argue the baby boomer generation doesn't "end" until they all die off. Ok.

But which generation today is most relevant, the most marketed to? Young people. Gen Y is it?

So thats the point. You can keep selling, but after some time the younger crowd takes the spotlight and nobody will care anymore except the dedicated few.

Soooo if PS3 cant overtake 360 by the next Xbox release, it lost.

There is a point here. We could argue, that selling the PS2 is no longer of importance, and I would agree. But also generations can overlap. At the moment we have a gen with Wii, PS3 and XBOX360 and we have another generation with only WiiU so far. Both generations exists at the same time.



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sales2099 on 13 December 2012
Mnementh said:
sales2099 said:
Mnementh said:
F0X said:

A generation doesn't end until all of its consoles are off the market. We may switch our terminology to refer to newer devices as "current-gen", and the older ones "last-gen", but multiple hardware generations can run concurrently. Actually, gen 6 is still ongoing right now since the PS2 is still being sold. Three generations at once. Probably for not much longer.

Edit: For further clarification, I'll try to use living beings as an analogy. Multiple generations of humans can live at the same time. The life of an older person doesn't end when a younger one is born, though there is a point in time after which a person must be considered a part of a new generation. New generations bring change to the table, but a generation ultimately stops existing when its members cease to exist. Relevancy is a seperate issue.


This.

Relevancy plays its own role as he himself admitted. Lets apply this to people generations.

You can argue the baby boomer generation doesn't "end" until they all die off. Ok.

But which generation today is most relevant, the most marketed to? Young people. Gen Y is it?

So thats the point. You can keep selling, but after some time the younger crowd takes the spotlight and nobody will care anymore except the dedicated few.

Soooo if PS3 cant overtake 360 by the next Xbox release, it lost.

There is a point here. We could argue, that selling the PS2 is no longer of importance, and I would agree. But also generations can overlap. At the moment we have a gen with Wii, PS3 and XBOX360 and we have another generation with only WiiU so far. Both generations exists at the same time.

Yes, we are now in a new generation PLUS the transition phase. So when PS4 and next Xbox are out, the transition phase is over and we judge the results accordingly. Everything else is lost in irrelevancy, just like nobody cares that PS2 sells in 3rd world countries today.



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Ssenkahdavic on 13 December 2012

There is no answer. The Next Generation has already happened and it was good.



 

  

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Ail on 13 December 2012

A generation ends when software sales on platform N+1 supass software sales on platform N ( meaning when customers start buying their games on the newer platform)



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F0X on 13 December 2012
sales2099 said:
F0X said:

A generation doesn't end until all of its consoles are off the market. We may switch our terminology to refer to newer devices as "current-gen", and the older ones "last-gen", but multiple hardware generations can run concurrently. Actually, gen 6 is still ongoing right now since the PS2 is still being sold. Three generations at once. Probably for not much longer.

Edit: For further clarification, I'll try to use living beings as an analogy. Multiple generations of humans can live at the same time. The life of an older person doesn't end when a younger one is born, though there is a point in time after which a person must be considered a part of a new generation. New generations bring change to the table, but a generation ultimately stops existing when its members cease to exist. Relevancy is a seperate issue.

And that is why any victory after the next wave of console are out will be hollow and irrelevant.

Agreed. Exactly when a new generation starts may be up for debate, but once it does, the focus will mainly on the success of the newer platforms. I think it would be perfectly fine to declare a winner then, but this OP takes it a bit further by saying that the older generation ends altogether, which I think is wrong.



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F0X on 13 December 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
F0X said:

A generation doesn't end until all of its consoles are off the market. We may switch our terminology to refer to newer devices as "current-gen", and the older ones "last-gen", but multiple hardware generations can run concurrently. Actually, gen 6 is still ongoing right now since the PS2 is still being sold. Three generations at once. Probably for not much longer.

I would argue generation 6 ended when developpers stopped making PS2 games.


The last PS2 game ever released (to my knowledge) came out September of this year.



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KungKras on 13 December 2012

It's easier to just talk about when a new generation begins.



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cunger on 13 December 2012

A generation is nothing more than a family tree really. When a new system is released by a company which is meant to be a successor to a previous product it is considered a new generation product and now the previous product is one generation older.  I guess when a company stops producing the hardware at that point the generation officially ends for them. But as gamers we can always go back and visit the graves of the previous generations by playing games on them.



brendude13 on 13 December 2012

When a minimum of two next gen consoles have been released.