You do realize someone could easily make a situation where someone takes over not using racism or having spread fascism and be based on power alone. When it came down to it all it was about power like all take overs.

Yes, those plus other reasons started the Holocaust. However, it seems like you are saying those are the events that need to happen for the Holocaust. That simply is not true. And again, my point still remains. Maybe if the Jewish population of Poland had guns in their possession than maybe over six million wouldn't have been exterminated. Who knows, maybe WW2 would have ended soon and the european economy could have been spared also.

So when United States citizens get raped from privacy and economic freedom noone cares but when they're GUNS get taken away they go 'muh freedom'?

The constitution was made by the founding fathers who wanted a free country, but they owned slaves.

The founding fathers we're all deists/atheists or agnostic and now the United States is the most christian country on Earth with a few exceptions.

The constitution is not being upheld and you can not shoot someone that is stealing your property because that is a crime. I have no problem with baseball bats as they are (with exceptions) non-lethal.

Shooting someone for stealing your pink pelican from your front jard is fucking ridicilous.

I can agree with this actually.

They are people who actively choose to break the law and put their and my saftey in danger. I'd rather have a gun then wait over 10 minutes for the police to arrive

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Max, I don't know how old you are but trust me. A 20 year old criminal might not have ever expected himself to break a law a year earlier.

People change. Criminals we're born as babies too.

Americans seem obsessed with this idea that the world is full of scary people and that they need alot of weapons and military spendings to protect themselves.

It's all economic.. trust me even if you are given weapons it's not because the government gives two shits about you. It's because you will do the law enforcers work without wanting pay.

What is the primary reason there are so many guns available to criminals? because they can be bought in alot of states without any form of permit. Sure there is illegal trade but where do you think that comes from?

criminals don't make guns. Governments and corporations do. next thing they do is scream all criminals have guns so you should get one and the American public is pissing itself in fear and demanding free and open gun laws in exchange.

The times in wich the constitution was made have changed... Slavery was no problem when the constitution was made so perhaps it's not so flawless after all.

Again, we've had this discussion before. The American Revolution was not an actual revolution.

When *real* political change is carried out by guns, the results are always messy.

Also, Godwin's law means that this discussion now has nowhere else to go.

I'm 26. And what does them changing have to do with anything?

It's all economic? So it's more effecient for use to do the law enforcers job then having a investigation then having criminal charges then having jail time? It really isn't economic at all.

Even if there were strict gun laws there would still be guns. See link earlier in this thread about UK gun laws and gun violence. They would still get guns. Killing cops and taking thiers would be an easy way to get a gun.

Good for corporations... They have a market good for them with making money.

Your right. Times have changed. Urban areas are getting worse with inner city gangs who carry guns

All were deist they were in a group called masons. None where atheist please post your facts because I remember doing a project on the founders in high school where they were in fact mason which was deist a group.

"So when United States citizens get raped from privacy and economic freedom noone cares but when they're GUNS get taken away they go 'muh freedom'?"

Many complain about privacy and economic freedom stop pretending like your the only one who cares or is doing anything about to make yourself feel like special or making a point.

"The founding fathers we're all deists/atheists or agnostic and now the United States is the most christian country on Earth with a few exceptions."

your point of irony tells us nothing about what is right or wrong is shows your lack of ability to give a support point. If you were right it doesn't change the fact that because x personal beliefs mean the opposite is wrong. There is no relation of two from the data to tells anything. This is common fallacy of the hitler fallacy in which if hitler believe x than x is wrong which is for simple minded people.

"The constitution is not being upheld and you can not shoot someone that is stealing your property because that is a crime. I have no problem with baseball bats as they are (with exceptions) non-lethal."

Wait what? Are you just ignorant or lying? You do realize in Florida if someone is caught trespassing on someone property for stealing or the harm a family member your aloud to kill the person? This is only one example.

In general, one (sometimes more) of a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied home, business or car. 
The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties 
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home 
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary 
The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force 
The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty) 
In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home must be there legally, must not be fugitives from the law, must not be using the Castle Doctrine to aid or abet another person in being a fugitive from the law, and must not use deadly force upon an officer of the law or an officer of the peace while they are performing or attempting to perform their legal duties.

"Shooting someone for stealing your pink pelican from your front jard is fucking ridicilous."

 Yup crazy that a guy came into someone house with a knife or weapon and kills your children.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-in-spider-man-mask-robs-domino-s-driver-in/article_7c4ad546-9380-52c9-aa22-87ceeab1c019.html

Man gets killed for pizza and money. He is then put in car.  All for pizza but hey no way someone would go in a house and kill someone whole family for more than that.

Because that never happens.