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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Xbox 720 & PS4 codenames revealed, Microsoft’s ‘Oban’ chip still delayed – rumour

VGKing on 11 December 2012
D-Joe said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

This just nothing like RROD,2 different thing

It is the exact same thing. Microsoft chose to ignore low yields with the XBox 360 which led to high failure rates.(aka RROD)

Of course the next Xbox is still VERY early production.  



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VGKing on 11 December 2012
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

The site suggests PS4 will launch Spring or Autumn 2014.

 Good news if true.

The name of the PS4 project is Thebes. As you might have guessed, other than it being an AMD CPU and GPU, we don’t have much more specific details. It is said to be a 28nm part, likely fabbed at Global Foundries or IBM for the first run, and out after Oban. That would most likely be the spring of 2014, but it could be fall of that year too.

I don't like the CPU + GPU together from AMD... seems too weak. But I like the 28nm talk .

lol.

RROD again.  even now... RROD.  lol.  It isnt the quality thats low, its the supply.  You are btter than tha.... er... hang on.

PS4 delayed is good news?   It really, really isnt. 

Don't coment if you don't know what you're talking about...Let me explain what low yields means to you.....

Lets say the yield is 60%, that would mean that out of 100 consoles made, only 60 work. The lower the yield, the more supply you need since most of what you're producing is going to the trash.

From what we know the next Xbox isn't being mass-produced yet. They're still only making dev kits. So its too early to tell if this will be another RROD situation.



VGKing on 11 December 2012
kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

The site suggests PS4 will launch Spring or Autumn 2014.

 Good news if true.

The name of the PS4 project is Thebes. As you might have guessed, other than it being an AMD CPU and GPU, we don’t have much more specific details. It is said to be a 28nm part, likely fabbed at Global Foundries or IBM for the first run, and out after Oban. That would most likely be the spring of 2014, but it could be fall of that year too.

I don't like the CPU + GPU together from AMD... seems too weak. But I like the 28nm talk .

lol.

RROD again.  even now... RROD.  lol.  It isnt the quality thats low, its the supply.  You are btter than tha.... er... hang on.

PS4 delayed is good news?   It really, really isnt. 

Don't coment if you don't know what you're talking about...Let me explain what low yields means to you.....

Lets say the yield is 60%, that would mean that out of 100 consoles made, only 60 work. The lower the yield, the more supply you need since most of what you're producing is going to the trash.

From what we know the next Xbox isn't being mass-produced yet. They're still only making dev kits. So its too early to tell if this will be another RROD situation.


Who the hell do you think you are talking to?    I know full well what it means.

You are being mischievous to score some lame point.   Even bringing RROD int this is ridiculous at this stage. 

If the supply is low due to issues then that means they arent letting anything through other than the decent quality and are stull testing quality and getting things right.  Its a natural part of R&D.

Low quality is directly related to available supply. Yeah this is a natural part of the process, like I said before...



VGKing on 11 December 2012
kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
Nsanity said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

The site suggests PS4 will launch Spring or Autumn 2014.

 Good news if true.

The name of the PS4 project is Thebes. As you might have guessed, other than it being an AMD CPU and GPU, we don’t have much more specific details. It is said to be a 28nm part, likely fabbed at Global Foundries or IBM for the first run, and out after Oban. That would most likely be the spring of 2014, but it could be fall of that year too.

I don't like the CPU + GPU together from AMD... seems too weak. But I like the 28nm talk .

Microsoft wouldnt make that massive mistake twice.

Are you sure? A Microsoft employee(dont' know which one) stated that their decision to launch first and all those troubles was worth it as it gave them several advantages. 

I just don't see how anyone can buy the next-gen Xbox with confidence.


The current xbox is probably the best hardware out there.  I'd say the biggest risk of the 3 would be the next PS as it will no doubt be made on the cheap to save costs for the ailing parent company.

The best? Are you talking about reliability? I don't even think we have any data that suggests that.
It is still an Xbox 360 though, it is a completely different process to make an entirely new console with completely different parts.

A reliable Xbox 360 Slim in no way speaks to Microsofts ability to launch reliable next-gen console. All I'm saying is that at the first reports of failing consoles...people need to pay attention. Don't let brand loyalty cloud your judgement.



VGKing on 11 December 2012
kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

The site suggests PS4 will launch Spring or Autumn 2014.

 Good news if true.

The name of the PS4 project is Thebes. As you might have guessed, other than it being an AMD CPU and GPU, we don’t have much more specific details. It is said to be a 28nm part, likely fabbed at Global Foundries or IBM for the first run, and out after Oban. That would most likely be the spring of 2014, but it could be fall of that year too.

I don't like the CPU + GPU together from AMD... seems too weak. But I like the 28nm talk .

lol.

RROD again.  even now... RROD.  lol.  It isnt the quality thats low, its the supply.  You are btter than tha.... er... hang on.

PS4 delayed is good news?   It really, really isnt. 

Don't coment if you don't know what you're talking about...Let me explain what low yields means to you.....

Lets say the yield is 60%, that would mean that out of 100 consoles made, only 60 work. The lower the yield, the more supply you need since most of what you're producing is going to the trash.

From what we know the next Xbox isn't being mass-produced yet. They're still only making dev kits. So its too early to tell if this will be another RROD situation.


Who the hell do you think you are talking to?    I know full well what it means.

You are being mischievous to score some lame point.   Even bringing RROD int this is ridiculous at this stage. 

If the supply is low due to issues then that means they arent letting anything through other than the decent quality and are stull testing quality and getting things right.  Its a natural part of R&D.

Low quality is directly related to available supply. Yeah this is a natural part of the process, like I said before...

...and then you and Ethomaz start blabbing on about RROD.  It isnt required or appropriate at this stage.

Its like me saying dont buy a Sony camera or phone, the battery might explode.  Its just bad mouthing and trouble causing.

Are we just supposed to forget such a massive failure? Microsoft didn't publicly admit that this problem was widespread until 2007. It took them YEARS to fix the problem. They let people buy defective consoles knowing they would fail one day. By then, those who had run out of the warranty had already bought replacements.(plural)

This is like warning someone from buying an iPhone in the summer. In a few more months they'll release a new one, so why not wait?
Forgive but never forget.



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reggin_bolas on 11 December 2012

PS4 better not launch too far behind from the nextbox. I am an old xbox fanboy looking for a console switch because I'm tired of paying for Live and the lackluster exclusives (it's just halo and forza).

Also, universally it's BAD to launch last especially if last means a year behind the main competition.



sales2099 on 11 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

The site suggests PS4 will launch Spring or Autumn 2014.

 Good news if true.

The name of the PS4 project is Thebes. As you might have guessed, other than it being an AMD CPU and GPU, we don’t have much more specific details. It is said to be a 28nm part, likely fabbed at Global Foundries or IBM for the first run, and out after Oban. That would most likely be the spring of 2014, but it could be fall of that year too.

I don't like the CPU + GPU together from AMD... seems too weak. But I like the 28nm talk .

why is PS4 releasing later a good thing?

It is for MS and Nintendo :D

Dont know how it would benefit a PS fan though....



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z101 on 11 December 2012

"with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’"

I think that was the fact with first three years of Xbox360 hardware too. But Microsoft doesn't bother to sell it anyway and exchange broken consoles.



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ethomaz on 11 December 2012

platformmaster918 said:

why is PS4 releasing later a good thing?

Some points...

- PS3 is still powerful enough...
- PS3 not reached popular price point...
- There is a lot of games to be released next year for it...
- AMD will have more time to put a decent GPU in the A-10 APU...
- The 28nm process will be more mature (less yelds loss = less cost loss)...
- No competition with Microsoft at launch (that's a guess because I think Microsoft will launch the next box in 2014 too)

I can list more...

For me, for you... for all consumers the 2014 is a better launch than 2013.



D-Joe on 11 December 2012
VGKing said:
D-Joe said:
ethomaz said:
However, the same site also reported onproblems with the chip’s manufacturing with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’. The issue is rumoured to have cause production delays.

RROD again?

This just nothing like RROD,2 different thing

It is the exact same thing. Microsoft chose to ignore low yields with the XBox 360 which led to high failure rates.(aka RROD)

Of course the next Xbox is still VERY early production.  
z101 said:
"with one source calling the component quality ‘painfully low’"

I think that was the fact with first three years of Xbox360 hardware too. But Microsoft doesn't bother to sell it anyway and exchange broken consoles.

 

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Same people really love waste his time,not just different thing,it's not even new rumor but because it can make nextbox "looks" bad so let's keep reply it



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