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Player2 on 09 December 2012
Legend11 said:
 

Those titles releasing now and in the next 10 months are incredibly important because they could be enough to tide people over until the other consoles are released and that would pretty much take away any advantage Nintendo might have had by releasing early.  Then it becomes a matter of what compromises Nintendo had to make to launch earlier becoming disadvantages.

I think both the next Xbox and Playstation consoles are going to be significantly more powerful than WiiU so it will all come down to people choosing between better graphics, AI, physics, etc or a controller that offers the possibility of better interaction with games.  As for third parties they will go where the core gamers go so November/December 2013 will pretty much decide the future of console gaming.

If we see a significant shift of core gamers to the next Xbox/Playstation to play Call of Duty on those platforms then the vast majority of third parties and AAA games will move to those platforms and the specs they have.  If core gamers instead opt to get a WiiU because they feel the WiiU Gamepad will make a better experience for them then WiiU will be the lead console for many AAA third party games.

It's not going to matter in 2014 and 2015 because it's all going to be decided before that.  People tend to want to play online games with their friends so it'll be a snowball effect for whichever side wins at the end of 2013.  As for those that argue about budgets, it's the same arguement that was had between Wii and 360/PS3 and what we've seen is that publishers go where the audience is regardless of the budget.

CoD sales on PS4/X720 can be affected by several reasons. Early adopters are usually more interested in first party games than the average gamer, so what Sony and Microsoft have on launch will affect its sales. The majority of HD console owners won't get a new system on launch, so those who want to play with their friends may want to get the PS3 or the X360 version. Specially if the game is released before the launch of the new consoles. Right now without knowing the price points of the new systems, launch dates, possible shortages... anything is possible.

As for publishers going where the audience is regardless of budget, the Wii version of CoD 3 outsold the PS3 version, but it was the Wii the one that didn't get CoD 4, so everybody who wanted to play CoD picked a 360 or a PS3. CoD sales exploded with CoD 4, then snowball.



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TeddostheFireKing on 09 December 2012
hivycox said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Legend11 said:

 

 

In response to your comments:

(1). I'm not so certain of the Nextbox, but with the PS4 certain to have Blu-ray, that would surely be a point worth mentioning value wise. 
(2). The PS3 and 360 are both ending the generation on a high with blockbuster games still coming out for the systems.
(3). Similar to the above, but the other way, a poor last 2/3 years has really hurt the Wii, you could argue Kinect has more momentum right now.
(4). I don't know if you saw it, but there was a thread in Vgchartz not too long along about advertisement's for the WiiU, or more importantly, how poor they are and how they weren't aimed at the target audience properly.
(5). GTA5 hasn't been announced for the WiiU yet.
(6). With the above reasons, its not that out of the question that the WiiU would have to be seriously cheaper than the competition for it to be popular, games right now aren't that much better than the PS3 and 360 versions, they aren't going to be matching the Nextbox and PS4 versions either, so its going to be a tough sell for the WiiU I think (especially since the PS3 and 360 could stay alive for a while like the PS2 for 2006/7).
(7). In regards to those multiplatform games: Call of Duty has sales because everyone plays it and so do their friends, but right now, sales aren't great for the WiiU version (sort of like an anti snow ball effect). The Elder Scrolls games only release once every 4 and a half years, its a long way from now. The WiiU version of Assassin's Creed isn't advertised, its the PS3 version that is, unless Nintendo gets Ubisoft to advertise the WiiU version, sales will be mostly on the Ps3 version (with considerable sales on 360 too of course). Also, Pokemon is great for handhelds, but the console versions are considering less popular, Nintendo needs a Pokemon MMO, THAT would be a blockbuster.
(8). 3D Mario, Zelda and Pokemon were all on the N64 and GC, I don't see being that outstanding. COD and Assassin's Creed are good steps, but Nintendo needs to build a brand affiliation with COD and Assassin's Creed for them to be successful and to stay on the system once the Nextbox and PS4 come out. GTA is key, if they announce that for the WiiU, it would help change people's mentality of the company considerably.


I don't agree entirely with your aspects...

Every console's launch games didn't look better than their previous counterparts (i.e. look at COD 2 for X360). It needs time for devs to fully understand the technology of a next gen console like the wii u.... if you compare ps3 games from 2007 and for example "The Last of Us" than you should ask yourself: "is this the same console?"

Once Nintendo shows some AAA title everybody will see the wii u's true power...look at Pikmin 3, its gorgeous ;)

Also keep in mind that its been rumoured that the ps4 will also have an GPGPU or an APU which have also new architectures... That mean that developers will  have a hard time to develop their games on those systems as well...

And about your point (8) =

You don't want see the awesomeness that is Zelda HD ??or maybe something more realistic like Metroid HD ...those games are one of the few reasons to buy a wii u...let me say this : IT will be OUTSTANDING :D

Although COD2 did look worse on 360 compared to the PS2, the jump from PS2 from PS1 was quite large, NES to SNES too, this level in graphics jump is more like  PS2 to Xbox, noticable on exclusives, but other titles not so much if at all. Actually that's a good analogy, the WiiU is the Xbox is more powerful hardware, but a userbase too small to fully exploit it so it gets ports, meanwhile the PS360 have a huge userbase were the titles are designed from the ground up for. Exclusives will look good on the WiiU but multiplatfrom titles will look largely the same.

Although Pikmen 3 does look good, I think the PS3 and 360 could run it (God of War Ascension and Halo 4 say hi). I admit Zelda and Metroid would look good on the WiiU, but titles like Mario Kart and 2D Mario don't exactly go for photo realism.



Conegamer on 09 December 2012

They're well-poised, but will they capitilise on it? That is the unknown.

This thread only goes further towards the cause of banning Patcher quotes for me really.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

ninetailschris on 09 December 2012
TeddostheFireKing said:
hivycox said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Legend11 said:

 

 

In response to your comments:

(1). I'm not so certain of the Nextbox, but with the PS4 certain to have Blu-ray, that would surely be a point worth mentioning value wise. 
(2). The PS3 and 360 are both ending the generation on a high with blockbuster games still coming out for the systems.
(3). Similar to the above, but the other way, a poor last 2/3 years has really hurt the Wii, you could argue Kinect has more momentum right now.
(4). I don't know if you saw it, but there was a thread in Vgchartz not too long along about advertisement's for the WiiU, or more importantly, how poor they are and how they weren't aimed at the target audience properly.
(5). GTA5 hasn't been announced for the WiiU yet.
(6). With the above reasons, its not that out of the question that the WiiU would have to be seriously cheaper than the competition for it to be popular, games right now aren't that much better than the PS3 and 360 versions, they aren't going to be matching the Nextbox and PS4 versions either, so its going to be a tough sell for the WiiU I think (especially since the PS3 and 360 could stay alive for a while like the PS2 for 2006/7).
(7). In regards to those multiplatform games: Call of Duty has sales because everyone plays it and so do their friends, but right now, sales aren't great for the WiiU version (sort of like an anti snow ball effect). The Elder Scrolls games only release once every 4 and a half years, its a long way from now. The WiiU version of Assassin's Creed isn't advertised, its the PS3 version that is, unless Nintendo gets Ubisoft to advertise the WiiU version, sales will be mostly on the Ps3 version (with considerable sales on 360 too of course). Also, Pokemon is great for handhelds, but the console versions are considering less popular, Nintendo needs a Pokemon MMO, THAT would be a blockbuster.
(8). 3D Mario, Zelda and Pokemon were all on the N64 and GC, I don't see being that outstanding. COD and Assassin's Creed are good steps, but Nintendo needs to build a brand affiliation with COD and Assassin's Creed for them to be successful and to stay on the system once the Nextbox and PS4 come out. GTA is key, if they announce that for the WiiU, it would help change people's mentality of the company considerably.


I don't agree entirely with your aspects...

Every console's launch games didn't look better than their previous counterparts (i.e. look at COD 2 for X360). It needs time for devs to fully understand the technology of a next gen console like the wii u.... if you compare ps3 games from 2007 and for example "The Last of Us" than you should ask yourself: "is this the same console?"

Once Nintendo shows some AAA title everybody will see the wii u's true power...look at Pikmin 3, its gorgeous ;)

Also keep in mind that its been rumoured that the ps4 will also have an GPGPU or an APU which have also new architectures... That mean that developers will  have a hard time to develop their games on those systems as well...

And about your point (8) =

You don't want see the awesomeness that is Zelda HD ??or maybe something more realistic like Metroid HD ...those games are one of the few reasons to buy a wii u...let me say this : IT will be OUTSTANDING :D

Although COD2 did look worse on 360 compared to the PS2, the jump from PS2 from PS1 was quite large, NES to SNES too, this level in graphics jump is more like  PS2 to Xbox, noticable on exclusives, but other titles not so much if at all. Actually that's a good analogy, the WiiU is the Xbox is more powerful hardware, but a userbase too small to fully exploit it so it gets ports, meanwhile the PS360 have a huge userbase were the titles are designed from the ground up for. Exclusives will look good on the WiiU but multiplatfrom titles will look largely the same.

Although Pikmen 3 does look good, I think the PS3 and 360 could run it (God of War Ascension and Halo 4 say hi). I admit Zelda and Metroid would look good on the WiiU, but titles like Mario Kart and 2D Mario don't exactly go for photo realism.


If you look at pikmen 3 it's using open gl 4/5 I don't think that possible with the ps3 or Xbox no matter how you try but it's technology stuff. The big difference is from ps2/3 is poly in which made things very noticeable to casual. Next-gen will not have that. To casual will he notice a bit more lighting? Or what about 30-50 percent better textures than wii?Why isn't the ps3 destroying xbox360? Because Xbox has more value like online and the difference isn't that big. You guys act like we are going to see cgi walking around in your games. The next box and ps4 biggest enemy is is going to be there previous console because casuals are going to notice wow it's not a ps1 to ps2.



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Toddifer on 09 December 2012

I'm not sure how much I agree with the overall argument, but to be fair I can't really disagree with it, either. I think 2013 is, as a whole, a big question mark. The Vita will get a price cut, and as of right now, it looks like PS360 still have several big games coming to their systems that the Wii U isn't getting. I think Nintendo is well positioned for at least the first half of next year, but the second half is really murky, because who knows what's going to be revealed at E3 and beyond for Microsoft & Sony?



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WindyCityHeat on 09 December 2012

Keep saying that to yourself, OP.

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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 09 December 2012

it simply amazes me that ppl actually think most of the 360/ps3 big multiplats wont make it on the wiiu, they will at some point. most of the ones listed in this thread for 2013, would have been in dev for quite awhile and will probably be announced for the wiiu at e3 i am sure of it. i think ppl just need to have faith in nintendo, if u actually are a fan of them and not some hater. also nintendo doesnt make powerful systems , they make systems for gameplay . which is something they do almost better than anyone else.
i wish ppl would just enjoy the systems they own and be happy being a gamer , that's what the most important thing is. that's what i believe anyways :)



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Metallicube on 09 December 2012

Patcher always thinks Nintendo is doomed, pay him no mind.

From my view Wii U has no chance to replicate the success of Wii, but then again, what does? It will still get respectable sales and I believe an even better library than the Wii when it's all said and done. 2013 looks like a strong year for the console, and I'll almost certainly be getting one sometime during 2013. Whereas 2012 esentially only had NSMB, next year already looks to kick its ass with Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Rayman, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit (not really my cup of tea but certainly a big seller), Lego City Stories, Bayonetta 2, and others. Beyond that, you have the inevitable Smash Brothers, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, and probably Metroid games which will make a splash. After that, Nintendo simply has to fill in the gaps and keep momentum going with some lesser games, and hopefuly a new franchise or two, and they'll be just fine. I see anywhere between SNES and N64 level of success, but that shouldn't matter to you as long as you enjoy the games! And it looks to me like Wii U will have plenty of good ones. SNES is still my favorite console to date and it didn't exactly sell like gangbusters, only barely beating the Genesis.



DieAppleDie on 09 December 2012

Nintendo is in the dominant position, i dont see any evidence that makes me think otherwise



Soundwave on 09 December 2012

Right now I think Nintendo's problem is that 1st half 2012 lineup looks pretty soft.

Rayman, Wonderful 101, and Pikmin 3 may excite core Nintendo fans and those in the "know", but I don't think any one of them will be huge break out hits (as in 1+ million sellers).

The third party offerings for the system for the first six months look downright dismal with Aliens Colonial Marines and not much else. No GTAV, no BioShock, no Metal Gear Rising etc. Maybe they will come as ports later on, but by that time everyone will have played through them on the PS3/360.

My prediction is Nintendo will be forced to drop the price by $50 next summer. That said, I will say I think sales will from that point on recieve a nice boost and Nintendo will bring a lot of of their big guns in 2nd half 2013 -- Super Mario EAD Tokyo, Mario Kart U, and Wii Sports U, perhaps even Retro's game will arrive (which I will guess is Star Fox).

I also think Nintendo TVii will surprise a lot of people and become quite popular once Nintendo irons out some bugs.