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Forums - General Discussion - To save Africa it shoud be re-colonized! - You have a better idea?

 

what to do?

recolonize 30 25.42%
 
send a massive UN led military 5 4.24%
 
send another trillion 4 3.39%
 
let the fall apart even more 39 33.05%
 
other 40 33.90%
 
Total:118
haxxiy said:
Jumpin said:

Colonization in Africa resulted in the genocide of tens of millions. This is like saying that another holocaust would be a good idea to fix the problems in Europe.

The current problem in Africa is linked to the destruction of all of its traditional cultures as a result of colonization and outside interference.


Yeah, a fifth of the population of Africa died because of a few hundred guys with a dozen bullets or so each claiming vasth swathes of land many of them didn't even set a foot on, just for bragging rights. Very likely, that one. What are you reading, son? Hobsbawn? Galeano?

The thing is there is a reason Eurasia developed into developed empires rather than staying stone age like America, Africa and Australia. Eurasia's size and eco-diversity gave it more species of domesticable plants and animals than other continents, certain favorable climates and landforms (a Mediterranean dry season eases grain-storage, for example), a long human presence (late discovery of the New World meant mass extinction of large mammals that might have been domesticable), and east-west trade routes (pigs and wheat do well in both France and China, but Mexican corn took centuries to adapt to Ohio). Eurasia and it's three powerhouses - Europe, India and China - probably were 90% of the world's economy or more for at least five thousand years now.

So outside those areas and where there was an active effort to colonize and build a new nation from scratch, like the US, things remain almost as dire as they have been throughout most of history, just with a modern paint of AK-47s so people can kill each other more efficiently and antibiotics so they can overpopulate their lands and live 40 instead of 20 years on average. Now say if Germany won WW1. The european empires would probably have survived to the present and we would have a much different world - one that probably would involve way lower populations in Africa but better infrastructure - even if many of it to economically serve the metropolis - and efficient governments. 

But re-colonize them again? Yeah buddy, I don't know about that. Maybe they should just be left to their own devices, to elect who they want and rewrite the bordes the way they want if that's so much of an issue.

I feel like someone has read guns germs and steel.



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africa is still being occupied by christianity and islam. how about we start with liberating it.



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MrBubbles said:
africa is still being occupied by christianity and islam. how about we start with liberating it.


So is Europe and North America



spurgeonryan said:

No man wants to be ruled, but in Africa's case everyone might just be better off.

 

What has happened over the last 100 years or so since Africa has taken itself back?

 

Deforestation, strip mining, genocide, race wars, aids, desertification, wars, animals becoming endangered, etc.

 

Countries have given trillions in aid for what? corruption, and not much change. Enough is enough1

Silliest thing I've ever heard.

In order for Africa to save itself - it would need a complete hands off policy from European and (moreso nowadays) US imperialists and freedom from parastic Western finance capital.  It was colonization that led to this mess and it would take foreign investment on African terms as opposed to IMF/World Bank structural adjustment programs designed to keep recipient nation's economy in the hands of Western powers.



spurgeonryan said:

No man wants to be ruled, but in Africa's case everyone might just be better off.

 

What has happened over the last 100 years or so since Africa has taken itself back?

 

Deforestation, strip mining, genocide, race wars, aids, desertification, wars, animals becoming endangered, etc.

 

Countries have given trillions in aid for what? corruption, and not much change. Enough is enough1

Ignore them. Stop all trade with the continent, take anything vital (animals, resources which they aren't going to use) and let them slowly fall back to the stone age. They are not our problem. No one helped Europe develop so why do they need so much help?



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JazzB1987 said:

The colonization is the reason africa was f*cked up. Its all about power and influence.

"We" invaded them and forced them to accept our style of hirarchy/society etc. They were tribes living their lives and occasionally fighting other tribes. But we showed them money and  "greed" etc.

And now we keep them down because we want to keep them under control.

I mean why do we sent food etc? Food is the only thing they can produce by themselves and because we send free food their farmers cant sell their food. We should give them infrastructure and material   we should build stuff like sewers, streets,  wood metal etc. we should build channels so they have enough water. We should help them build farms etc... We should help them help themselves.

We still control them and because we sold alot of AK's and jeeps and whatever and demand diamonds etc there is all this chaos.

We are to blame for all this.

Who exactly keeps them down? It's not use spreading aid or forcing them to over populate areas. 
If you think colonisation caused the problems (outside of the brutal Belgium regime) then you are kidding yourself. They don't care for our lifestyle hence the reason they are centuries behind the West. We send food because some people feel guilty/sorry for them as they don't understand what is going on. We should give them nothing and let them figure it out on their own, but Mr PC feels it's his duty to interfere with natural progression. 

We are not to blame for the state they are in  - that's absurd. They simply don't want what you and I want and you have to accept that.



o_O.Q said:

"Countries have given trillions in aid for what? "

that made me lmao

those same countries also steal trillions from africa each year in the form of diamonds, cocoa, gold, oil etc etc etc

resources that should be used to actually better the country

 

oh and btw european countries ( this also includes former colonies like a america ) can definitely be said to be at least a large part of the reason africa is the way it is now

 

for the poll i'll pick other - use the resources being stolen from africa to actually improve the country... of course that won't ever happen because many european industries will then collapse

This to infinity. Get rid of all the foreign countries sucking Africa dry and maybe they could start to get their people onto a path to prosperity. 



Religion screws up that idea rather badly. Religion is designed to cause great suffering and make people evil, so the moment they are colonized they will claim their religious differences make colonization impossible and rebel and causing an iraq situation again...

I say we don't colonize, we just go in there, slaughter all the bad people that we don't like and put people we like in charge. Of course we don't tell anyone we're doing this because the hippies will have a problem with it saying it works too well and not enough money is being spent and too little bloodshed is going on. This is what assassins are for.

Of course with all the trouble caused by the people in power being thrown out, a lot of problems will arise. Thats when we find people we like we should give them lots of guns to kill the resisters and tell them how to run the nation otherwise we kill them and start over.

Problem solved.



Cancel debt. Give conditional aid (none of which should ever result in debt). We should essentially dump billions/trillions of money into Africa. The conditions should be relatively easy. Peace workers need to be able to assist in distribution of water, food, shelter. If we need to bribe the leaders to get this done then that's what we need to do.

The notion that we need to let Africans suffer because we aren't willing to buy the leaders off is dumb.



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Player1x3 said:
MrBubbles said:
africa is still being occupied by christianity and islam. how about we start with liberating it.


So is Europe and North America

Europe significantly less so than North America. Africa also has problems with voodoo.

Player1x3 said:
Jon-Erich said:

A long, long time ago, Africa had great empires, great civilizations, and thriving cities. 


It had Egypt and Carthage. That's it

Not just those, Egypt and Carthage just have popularity, the reasons why that is the case are brought up in this video and other civilisations are mentioned too.