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I totally disagree with the whole premise behind this thread.

What do you expect!? Some type of metacritic system that appoints the 'highest scoring' individual. Get a reality check buddy.

Moreover, communication and inter-personal skills are vital to any workforce. The slimy little nerd who got 10% more than Mr.Confidence is simply not as wanted by employers.



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sethnintendo said:

I fail at networking considering VGC is the only "social" network site I belong to.  Also, I have very few real life friends.  The less people I know the better.


This post makes me like you. I don't know why.



Meeting more people that know about your skills and abilities is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Having people to vouch for your character and work abilities isn't "Cheating", its having others that know about your skills and abilities that can pass along your aptitude to others in lieu of a piece of paper or a resume that may be meaningless.

I am not a social butterfly, but I know enough people in my industry, after building contacts for 6 years, to be able to make a call or two and get hired on if I were ever to lose my job. Just because you suck at it doesn't mean you can't learn if you make the effort.. Networking was something you were supposed to do in college, but you seemingly didn't do that.

And for what its worth, my job was entirely self-made, so I didn't have the advantage of college or other built-in networks. I'd imagine that made my job a little harder, but in the end, I did what I had to.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Dr.Grass said:
I totally disagree with the whole premise behind this thread.

What do you expect!? Some type of metacritic system that appoints the 'highest scoring' individual. Get a reality check buddy.

Moreover, communication and inter-personal skills are vital to any workforce. The slimy little nerd who got 10% more than Mr.Confidence is simply not as wanted by employers.


This post makes me like you. I don't know why.



Player1x3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
I totally disagree with the whole premise behind this thread.

What do you expect!? Some type of metacritic system that appoints the 'highest scoring' individual. Get a reality check buddy.

Moreover, communication and inter-personal skills are vital to any workforce. The slimy little nerd who got 10% more than Mr.Confidence is simply not as wanted by employers.


This post makes me like you. I don't know why.


Made me smile.



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Dr.Grass said:
I totally disagree with the whole premise behind this thread.

What do you expect!? Some type of metacritic system that appoints the 'highest scoring' individual. Get a reality check buddy.

Moreover, communication and inter-personal skills are vital to any workforce. The slimy little nerd who got 10% more than Mr.Confidence is simply not as wanted by employers.

Yes, honestly i do expect a level playing field. Just because the social climbers have built the empire doesn't mean the information age can't crush it and replace it with something objectively better that doesn't reward a certain type of personality exclusively over all other types.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.


Tough I hate to do it, I have to agree with this post.

 

I know, I often find myself in dissatvantage when it comes to jobs, because of this particular issue, but as kowen wrote, this is a domain in wich you have to improove if you want to be successfull. I managed to do it to some degree, hated it, but had to.

Its the hard truth, but you will either adjust, or you will be left behind...



As I said sitting around on a game forum complaining that I can't a job is silly.

Try hard and then you can sit at work at wag your finger at people then :)



Networks are incredibly valuable. In the OP's example, the person with a wider network is actually more valuable so more deserving than the person without a network.

Fortunately many of the skills required for success are ones you can learn and train. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of work, dedication and patience.

We live in a instant access world, and many of the skills require changing habits, which means you may not see any results for YEARS. I know this is true because I've been through it.



Mr Khan said:

More or less self-explanatory thread (or, Mr Khan's job-searching rant thread number three).

Networking is cheating. It's modern-day croneyism built into a system that favors insiders and people who know people, heavily favoring so-called "type A" personalities and more extroverted individuals, and overlooking any individuals who worked hard to get where they were but weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths or didn't room with the right guy in college.

When someone gets a job by networking, a more deserving person loses out. Therefore, networking to get a job is cheating, and sites like LinkedIn should be outlawed.

Actually, what you see going on today is that companies have systems out there that look to completely eliminate the human element from the hiring process, and with that, a degree of comfort level people have in who they know.  About the only way one can genuinely see someone and properly evaluate who they are is by knowing who they are.  Anything else ends up with people gaming the system by meeting certain benchmarks that are called upon, even if they don't have substance.  A human network is meant to screen and qualify people, and who you know organically is how things work.

This being said, what is said as "networking" today doesn't even involve who you know personally.  What it involves is people who can get themselves in social networks and plugged in anywhere, who happens to get known.  And they position themself so their work is seen.  It involves using COMPUTER networks, and odds are you don't even really see anyone at all.

Ok, let me tell you my story on how I found work, and went about things.  

I happen to end up applying everywhere, getting into systems everywhere including Kelly.   I got background check cleared and end up missing a wave of hiring.  Well, add this to a hell of a story and I ended up contacting a local reported who does local economic news about my situation, and it was an interesting enough story, he felt I had a story, so I was to meet him at a job fair.  Well, between that time, and when I met him, I found out I was approved for hiring by Kelly and a new wave of hiring.  Then the story because how I got a job, and I made the front page of the local paper.  My making the local paper had NOTHING to do with me getting hired actually.

What is the case here is, yes people who are shy will have issues.  If you can't stand making contact with new people, you aren't going to be seen.  BUT, being able to have people work with you, and being known for things, positions yourself as a solution people will think of when the need to hire.  You need to deliver in these cases, so how people think of you matters.  And you have to apply or be known about something.  You do have to get out there and connect with people and do things they can see you as an answer and recommend.  You do have to meet the minimum standards they need at least, and then be the best among the people they know.

In my case, on the boardgame side, it wasn't an A-type personality that got me to the top of the Hotness list on Boardgame Geek in September 2012. What it was is having a really, really bad boardgame and asking about what was worse, and blogging some about what I do.  I make myself known for anyone who cares.  The game rose to #4 on the Hotness list (list of website activity).  I also got several games published in a magazine by reaching out a publisher to consider what I did, sending a list of my games also, and then getting two games in there.    I make a point to reach out to people and make myself known before there is any need.  And that is what is meant by networking.  It means being a competent person who can get along with others.  You want it to be when people see you, they genuinely remember who you are and find you.  They know of you before they need you.  That is real networking.  In my case, I am a competent enough designer apparently, that stuff I have done ended up in a book, and several of my games were referenced by others in designs thy did.  I do work in an obscure area though, but my goals is to do things bigger, not just make me, and get a job.

The best person on the planet at something who is not known, might as well be dead, because it is like they aren't available.

So, what I can say is this, for networking: Get known, by being competent and interesting and reaching out.